I miss the good old days

Backlash2032

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It just seems like nothing new is posted anymore. Everyone seems to have sold their supra, and moved on. either that or they're just being quiet.

I tried being a part of the face book group... But they're just a metric ton of ass hats over there. What's going on??
 

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Waiting for ICC again lol I miss the days of build threads and constant posts
 

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I think a lot of us are still here, but there aren't as many new members and some of the older ones don't get on as much anymore. The forum has slowed down, but I think there are also less stupid posts now then when I first joined years ago. These cars are just getting older and there's less of them around now. Kinda sad, but true.
 

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Maxburn.. the whole forum goes silent for a year between iccs? Lol

And silver mk3 I guess they are classics now. There's nothing new to be figured out with them.. you just build em and have fun. Although I still do like seeing a creative build lol
 

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I tried being a part of the face book group... But they're just a metric ton of ass hats over there. What's going on??
Social media is one of the worst things ever thought up. Facebook sucks, so no surprise there.
 

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And my car is put away for the winter. It will be back around April, unless there is a lot of late winter early spring snow.
 

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I dont use Facebook anymore and prefer forums, usually delta bravos are run off from forums very quickly compared to FB. I am trying to be active on this forum and post constant pictures of my build even if it isn't interesting
 
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The forum has slowed down a lot, but the quality of each post and build thread has improved dramatically. Look at the builds right now, there are a lot of very clean cars, well executed builds, and an explosion of restorations. Give it a little time, and SM is going to remain the landing zone for quality MKIIIs and owners.

Winter certainly doesn't help things, I haven't even looked at my car since late October when I put it in storage.
 

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I log on every day. on the work computer and home computer and lerk on both SF and SM. They are not anywhere near as active as a year or two ago even. Its sad, but the facebook groups are killing us here. I don't post like I used to, but there are also not as many new topics to post on as there were before.
 

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The way I've always seen it, SM for the MKIII crowd and SF for the MKIV crowd. I think it still holds true. Just look at the MKIII FS forum over at SF. Like maybe 2 new threads a week. Not much activity at all
 

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Both SM and SF are down on web traffic compared to 4-5 years ago. I can already see that MKIIIs are turning into "classic" cars compared to 5 years ago. Not many people are pushing huge power numbers out of them or building them into track cars and a lot are starting to restore them and bring them back to their former GT glory.
 

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I log on every day. on the work computer and home computer and lerk on both SF and SM. They are not anywhere near as active as a year or two ago even. Its sad, but the facebook groups are killing us here. I don't post like I used to, but there are also not as many new topics to post on as there were before.
+1 I mostly lurk but have noticed these two forums slow down. But FB has tons of action but with tons of noobs. SF half those guys sold their supras for r35's
 

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I've been a daily lurker on SM since I got my car 5 years ago. I don't post a lot because most of the answers to my questions can be found by searching. Almost 10 years of threads produces a whole lot of results. I've had quite a few issues getting my car back on the road but if SM didn't exist, I would have given up long ago. It's a shame the pre-2005 information was lost as there was probably a lot of good info in there. I belong to some of the FB groups, but it's a bunch of idiots and people posting old Supra pictures I've seen many times before. I never would have learned as much as I have if I had to rely on FB for my info. I like going back through the build threads to give me some inspiration, not possible on FB. I lurk on SF as well, but definitely very little activity so I only log on every few days. I also find much better MK3 info here than on SF.
 

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I actually prefer the forums much more but usually the questions I had were able to be answered by searching through threads. The only time I post questions is when the information is either very old or very sparse coverage. I have used the Facebook groups but yes, there are many inconsiderate people and it's much different than maybe a harsh but true statement like you get around here. For example, I posted a picture of a multimeter reading and all everybody saw was my cheap ass Harbor Freight multimeter, and yes, I know it's not even close to being the best but I"m not looking to be a master technician, I'm just a regular guy trying to learn. That and I'd rather invest my money in quality parts than buy cheap, questionable quality stuff, I've learned and sometimes it's better to pay more for peace of mind.

I'd post what I've documented on my MK3 restoration, but I'm not quite sure it would be interesting seeing how I don't have much progress at the moment. And none of stuff has to do with awesome things going on in the engine bay, I still think my bay looks like crap compared to what I see here on SM lol. Although I'd have to say that SM is absolutely vital information center for MK3s and it seems much more organized than SF's MK3 section also.

Also most new owners never even look through forums and ask their questions on Facebook and I hate how interesting information gets lost easily through the damned newsfeeds...
 

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It's the new generation. Look at my join date and post count. I've lurked SF and SM for years as I've owned my Supra for about 3 and 1/2 years now but searching the forums had provided me all the information I've ever needed. As the generations get younger and younger and these cars are cheaper, more young people are getting into these cars. I for one prefer forums for the long informative threads but majority of people in my age group prefer social media. I see more "build threads" (more like just pics of updates) on FB/instagram as it's more convenient post on from their phones than it is to post on forums. I lurk forums while I'm at work on a computer, can't really remember the last time I opened my laptop or computer at home to "surf the internet," only when I'm in the middle of doing something on my car and I get stuck so I'll fire it up to search for some answers as it's a PIA or search on phones.

Most of my friends and probably majority of our generation is more into drifting than previous generations (atleast people who aren't afraid to drive their cars) and a lot of kids just buy dollar store rims and Ebay intakes and go to car meets. I've noticed the hate on SF and SM towards stupid suspension set ups and wheels that don't fit without camber, hence I don't care to make a build thread as majority of you will think it's stupid having 17x9.5+12 rims with 245/40 (which is considered a "meaty" set up compared to my IS300 which has 18x9.5 with 215/35 on the fronts) with 2* of negative camber all around, and the people who will like it probably aren't on forums anyway. The older generation is more the "do a proper build" type (which I agree with as well) and probably like drag racing and autox more that scraping side skirts on the floor while sliding sideways. I chose a MKIII to be different, although I have seen a couple driving around, no one I know personally has one in my area and have yet to see one at a local event. Nissan 240's are the Honda Civics of drifting so our generation is leaning more towards them as they are cheaper and parts cost next to nothing with huge ongoing aftermarket support, key word being ongoing. My friends source parts so easily for their cars while I have to turn the internet upside down to find parts for a 1JZ MKIII and am limited to a few stores or go custom. I'm not saying there isn't any support, just not the variety other chassis have, I have a choice of like 2 different $1000 exhaust manifolds for the 1JZ while you can find 10 different SR20 manifolds for like $500. Kids just don't want to spend the money the older crowd did on their cars as they spend more money on partying/eating out/chasing girls and don't want to spend the time uploading pics to a forum. The ones I know who have build threads on forums all are on 240sx forums.

Another person mentioned that the older people are getting into R35's and such, same holds true for any generation. I've noticed my friends who all started with 240's in their late teens now have moved onto more "expensive" cars such as IS300/FRS/BRZ/STI in their mid 20's. Also, I think the discontinuation of the Supra as apposed to Nissan continuing the Skyline has to do with the lack of interest in the Supra as the Skyline fan boys still have something to look forward to as they jump from older generations of the vehicle to the newer generations. MKIII Supra owners jump to MKIV when they can afford it but nothing to look forward to afterwards, the few that stay are the true MKIII fans, such as true Skyline R32 fans. R34 Skylines are starting to get imported to Canada now due to them being old enough (not sure of US import laws) and it's keeping their hype alive as it's something "new", atleast to North America it is. MKIII and MKIV Supras are old news now, nothing to look forward to unless you want to dish out half a million for an LFA. There's very little association today between "Toyota" and "sports cars." I love Toyota to death, but after walking into a Lexus dealership and to have them saying no new Lexus will be manufactured with a manual transmission (other than the IS250) is a big disappointment and other companies again kicking their ass in this category of "fun cars." The FRS is bringing a little bit of attention back to Toyota, but it's also new so dishing out $25K for a new car and the "not fully grown" aftermarket support limits the crowd as well and the relationship between the name "Toyota" and "sports cars" remains non-existent so people are forgetting Supras.
 

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I am still here...
Me too. I bought my first Supra in '04. I lurked for a year, then joined SF. Another year went by and I joined SM and never looked back at SF. Kind of. LoL. I may not be doing a 100% restore, but I guess I'll get around to making another build thread...
 

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Im in the same boat. I graduated from Supraforums about a decade ago, and haven't really been back since. Bought my car in 1997, and i 'hope' to have the restoration completed by this summer, as well as picking up another Supra as a daily.
I do agree that Facebook is quietly shrinking the forum. You go to a mkIII page, and they ask the most retardedly basic questions, like "whats the birdcage light mean?". Questions that have been answered a hundred times over on the forums. When you post a link to SM for them, they just say "oh i dont go on the forums". Laziness is what it is. These cars are getting split between 19 yr. old kids that want to trash them, and 40-50 yr olds that want to restore them. The good news is- that they are indeed getting more valuable. Thus, they will eventually be strained out of the younger hands once they get too pricey to purchase.
 

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^I'm actually 19 haha but I want to keep the supra in tip top shape while still enjoying it in full.
 

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^Haha that's a good way to put it. I drive like an ass hole too
 

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33 here and I like to drive like an a$$hole still but take care of the car!
I'm 29. I'm going to be picking on kids in the Supra even when I'm past my 50's lol
^Haha that's a good way to put it. I drive like an ass hole too
Slow down young blood :shakes fist: LoL

My first Supra was my first car.
 

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I'm 17 and lurk SM pretty frequently. I'm on my 3rd MKIII and not all us youngsters thrash em'!

I agree that the majority of build threads take place on Facebook and Instagram nowadays. It's just more convenient and guarantees that the people we care about see them. (For example I only have 70 or so IG followers, but they all own MKIIIs.) I agree that the Facebook groups are full of idiots, but of course they'll lack information without a search or archive function. I mainly use the FB groups to post new build progress, or ask opinions, or buy used parts.

All technical info I've needed has already been archived on SM for easy viewing. Nearly every topic has been covered front to back and front again, thus more lurking than posting. I mainly check SM to buy parts and update my build thread every few months. Hell, I haven't even posted about crashing my 2nd and buying another yet. With clean MKIIIs becoming more expensive and harder to find I think we'll see the quality of builds and posts continue to rise even if traffic continues to drop. Most of the youngsters who are seeking MKIIIs to drift and trash are ending up with the salvage titles and rust buckets that none of us would even consider buying in the first place.

Overall, the popularity may be dropping but that's fine by me, as it leaves only the core of us and the most devoted owners: those who bought their cars with love and not purely for a stick shift and FR layout. Our cars are becoming classics and slowly are being recognized as such. Plus, there's an extra sense of achievement when you smoke a brand new car in a nearly 30 year-old one still running its original powerplant.

My love for the MKIII will never die and I will continue to drive and build them until the last clean or recoverable specimens are destroyed,whether by rust or crash.
 
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Jeeze I'm only on my second one what happened to your first two?
 

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I'm turning 30 in a few days, only recently reached the point of starting up the latest iteration of my project.
Before a few weeks ago, I hadn't had a running supra since I ripped apart my black 89 non-turbo in ~2004, except for the few days I owned this one before pulling the motor out.

I certainly don't have the "collectors" attitude about faithfulness to the original product or anything. I respect people that want to keep everything factory. I don't have the same inclination. For me it's more a platform for me to practice my engineering skills on and develop into something personal, and I feel like the A70 is a great starting point, being comfortable for a fairly tall person and being pre-OBDII, among other things.

I think even for the preservation-minded, no one should cringe too badly at any of my modifications -- the first two cars were well and thoroughly trashed when I got them... 220k or so on the first car and leaking all over, rust holes all over. The second "parts" car came with a thrown rod 7M, and lot more rust holes. The third and current car was in great shape, but already had a cut radiator support and other changes made to it before I started.

I think it's safe to say when I'm close enough to "done" to call it that, not many people will be thinking "he should have just left it alone". ;)
 

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I am new to forums in general, made this account back some years but did not become active in any forums till about 2 years ago....honostly I dont really post because im embarrassed due to not knowing much the way everyone else here seems to know. So im here for the knowledge but I love reading build threads but I never seem to learn as much as I want I've learned more from actually working on the car but still like I said im here for the knowledge.
 

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FB "builds" make no sense to me, where is the story?, how can you see a true start to finish etc. FB is not designed for those kinds of things.
I post daily updates on my current build on the Local Forum and FB for friends that aren't forum members, mine is more a thinking out loud thing rather than a build thread.
 

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I'm one of the younger one's here too and not to sound cocky or anything, but I think I've got one of the cleanest stock MKIII's on the site. I do have to agree with most people my age not treating the car's correctly though. I think I am the odd one for my age group and having a Supra and wanting to keep it mostly stock. It get's annoying when the ricer's pull up and ask if it's a twin turbo blah blah blah, but it feels great when the guy who dreamed about this car when he was my age pulls up and compliments me on it and says it's the cleanest one he's seen in a very long time and then asks if I want to sell it haha.
 

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Young people are poor, and terrible decision makers . These things do not help when owning a fairly quick car with hundreds of cheap modifiers that can make them go faster into the back of someone's car trying to keep up with their friends mustang. Young people and Supras are not a good mix, ever...
 

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Young people are poor, and terrible decision makers . These things do not help when owning a fairly quick car with hundreds of cheap modifiers that can make them go faster into the back of someone's car trying to keep up with their friends mustang. Young people and Supras are not a good mix, ever...
Thats a bold statement right there. I drove my first supra through highschool. Senior year I sold it and started driving my 13 sec (then) big block chevelle. Never been in an accident that was my fault, and that was only one that some b**** in a mustang ran into my truck when I was sitting at a stop light. So please explain why Supras and young people are not a good mix EVER? I'm 26 years old now and have had some decently fast cars though my life.
 

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Thats a bold statement right there. I drove my first supra through highschool. Senior year I sold it and started driving my 13 sec (then) big block chevelle. Never been in an accident that was my fault, and that was only one that some b**** in a mustang ran into my truck when I was sitting at a stop light. So please explain why Supras and young people are not a good mix EVER? I'm 26 years old now and have had some decently fast cars though my life.

Its an honest statement, the issues found and neglected on a younger person's supra or whatever he drives to get his rice fix is always going to put himself and other people in danger. Why are certain things neglected? One reason why is because money always becomes an issue with an older car so instead of investing on brakes a young kid will invest in an exhaust. Most young people driving supras or older cars tend to be poor because if they weren't they wouldn't be driving a 20+ year old car. Older guys who know what they are doing can afford a 20+ year old piece of Japanese motorsports heaven while the young kids just want to feel special because SUPRA despite the problems that the car can and will present. So yeah, I don't see how you can actually justify an older car combo with a broke kid who has yet to mature and make correct decisions in his life because if that kid actually had that ability he wouldn't have chosen a Supra as a daily.

On you never causing an accident, hmmm... Because you were lucky does not mean everyone out there driving will be. I see the list of cars you have and I cant possibly imagine that you bought those cars because you wanted to go the speed limit on your daily commute. I'm pretty sure you did some stupid a$$ things in every single one of those and never had an accident. I did pretty stupid things in my supra too but because I'm still alive I'm not gonna say its a perfect fit for an 18 yr old. ITS NOT... Its like you played russian roulette over and over and never got a bullet to the head, doesn't mean you were never at risk. Street racing happens and I don't care who the hell is behind the wheel, we all come across these situations and there is no holding back sometimes. But to put these faulty and old turbocharged machines into a young persons hands is going to always raise the risk of an accident...
 

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Everytime you get in a car you raise the risk of an accident. I'd rather Be driving next to someone that knows what their car does at the limit than someone that's never breached the speed limit and pushed their car
 

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Everytime you get in a car you raise the risk of an accident. I'd rather Be driving next to someone that knows what their car does at the limit than someone that's never breached the speed limit and pushed their car


Knowing your car is just like getting to know someone. Sometimes we think we know people very well only to find out that we actually never did, yet we spoke to that person a hundred times and they never showed signs of whom they truly were. We can drive the same car everyday until one day you lose traction and you sit there thinking "was it me? did I do something wrong?"..... A lot of younger people don't know their cars well enough because most of the time they are on jackstands period, not to mention that they are driven by impulse and not logic. They want to race and don't you dare try to get into their lane because that is insult to their manhood. Yeah.... Most younglins out there don't know their cars and they make stupid decision therefor giving them a heavy/quick/boosted car is not the smartest thing in my opinion....
 

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I'm turning 30 in a few days, only recently reached the point of starting up the latest iteration of my project.
Before a few weeks ago, I hadn't had a running supra since I ripped apart my black 89 non-turbo in ~2004, except for the few days I owned this one before pulling the motor out.

I certainly don't have the "collectors" attitude about faithfulness to the original product or anything. I respect people that want to keep everything factory. I don't have the same inclination. For me it's more a platform for me to practice my engineering skills on and develop into something personal, and I feel like the A70 is a great starting point, being comfortable for a fairly tall person and being pre-OBDII, among other things.

I think even for the preservation-minded, no one should cringe too badly at any of my modifications -- the first two cars were well and thoroughly trashed when I got them... 220k or so on the first car and leaking all over, rust holes all over. The second "parts" car came with a thrown rod 7M, and lot more rust holes. The third and current car was in great shape, but already had a cut radiator support and other changes made to it before I started.

I think it's safe to say when I'm close enough to "done" to call it that, not many people will be thinking "he should have just left it alone". ;)
Im here as well.. and on Facebook although facebook is a whole mess of retards and a couple intelligent people. Identifying who's who isn't all that easy :D

I want my car to look like a MK3.. but perform like a Supra. Body mods (not massive like making it look like a corvette GTR or something silly) are good if it enhances the body lines imo. Engine mods are almost a necessity because we have had a quarter century to find the flaws of the 7M (1j/2jz people already know this.. lol). But the interior is good enough on its own as long as its intact. Im just switching to leather for fun and because it just enhances the car.

I think that there are only maybe 5-10 "survivor" MK3's worth "not driving" in the world. The rest should be enjoyed. They aren't likely to gain the status of the old American muscle cars.

The thing I like best about my car is that its not a car you see often and when you do.. you can pick it out of a crowd almost instantly. Never had anyone anywhere say anything negative while standing in front of my car.