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I saw these on (i believe) Rodels Supra, and wanted them on mine. I was wondering if there was a way to have dual projectors on each side, with HIDs?

If thats not possible, how hard would it be to put dual halogen projectors in each headlight bucket?

I just love the look of it. haha
 

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One is a projector, the other is a reflector high beam. They're hella 90mm units.

Not cheap and quite difficult to install and get everything right (trust me, I've been working on a semi-bolt in kit for a while now)
 

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What projectors did you use?

And how did you modify the wiring/headlight switch so it knows to switch bulbs when switching from low --> high beams?
 

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What projectors did you use?

And how did you modify the wiring/headlight switch so it knows to switch bulbs when switching from low --> high beams?
bi xenon hi/low hid projector and a random fog light projector
the headlight wiring was easy cus you dont have to do anything except plug in the h4 to the hid but the fog lights were much more difficult



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I guess i dont understand how they work with the single bulb..
in the bi xenon there is a reflector inside that moves wen you activate the highbeam
 

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So you wired the fog lights to the outer projectors and then had high and low on the inner?

I was thinking high low in two different projectors. If i understand correctly, theres three wires on the headlight bulb, (I think.. hahaha) and one of them is for lows, and one is for high beams, and then a common ground? In stock form of course. Is that correct?
 
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So you wired the fog lights to the outer projectors and then had high and low on the inner?

I was thinking high low in two different projectors. If i understand correctly, theres three wires on the headlight bulb, (I think.. hahaha) and one of them is for lows, and one is for high beams, and then a common ground? In stock form of course. Is that correct?
There is one Posi and two earth wires. I was just talking about doing this in another thread lol. As Poodles has already said, it is by no means a bolt on procedure. Some people do HID's and a reflector, but i wanted to do two matching sets of bi-xenon projectors with two matching sets of HID capsules. The cost for this setup (If done properly) is ridiculous, and that is one of the reasons there are no bolt-on kits available. They would easily cost 2k+. I don't like the bug-eyed look of using one larger projector in a square housing as some others have done, so i chose to keep my square reflectors as low/high beams, and instead swap out my fogs for large diameter projectors with HID's in them. Some people have voiced concern in regards to my decision, but i believe that with the proper modifications it will work for what i need. Just letting you know that there are alternatives to the norm, but do what suits your needs and driving style. theretrofitsource.com has alot of useful information and parts if you need them, and hidplanet.com is an automotive lighting forum you may want to look at, it will also be very helpful.

Speaking of TAKING FOREVER, when are those lights of yours gonna be ready Poodles?:icon_bigg
 

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Supplier is taking forever, parts are on backorder and they THOUGHT they'd ship friday...but didn't.
 

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Okay, deff. not getting 4 sets of HIDs. Wayy to much money. Ill just get 4 halogen projectors. That sounds like it would be enough light anyway.

And rodama5anthony, you need to do that write up. My main concern is mounting the projectors and getting the headlight to only come up so far. In my head, it seems like if you shorten the arm that attaches to the headlight, or the arm that comes off of the motor, the headlight will go lower than it should when you lower it, then you have to compensate for that, so the headlight will just go up to the same height as stock.. Maybe im just overthinking this.. haha
 

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Okay, deff. not getting 4 sets of HIDs. Wayy to much money. Ill just get 4 halogen projectors. That sounds like it would be enough light anyway.

And rodama5anthony, you need to do that write up. My main concern is mounting the projectors and getting the headlight to only come up so far. In my head, it seems like if you shorten the arm that attaches to the headlight, or the arm that comes off of the motor, the headlight will go lower than it should when you lower it, then you have to compensate for that, so the headlight will just go up to the same height as stock.. Maybe im just overthinking this.. haha
Of note, rodam's setup isn't legal (low beam has to be on outside), but most places won't look that hard. If my other setups sell well I plan on getting the other setup made. Right now I could make it but it would be lacking a shroud and I just don't think it's up to my standards.

Also of note, the 90mm hella modules are sub-par for projectors. They are still HUGE upgrades over a stock sealed beam though, and the H9 bulbs are extremely bright. There are far better projectors out there, the issue is that they're not sealed so they have to be installed into some kind of housing.

If money was no object this would all be done by now :rofl:
 
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Okay, deff. not getting 4 sets of HIDs. Wayy to much money. Ill just get 4 halogen projectors. That sounds like it would be enough light anyway.

And rodama5anthony, you need to do that write up. My main concern is mounting the projectors and getting the headlight to only come up so far. In my head, it seems like if you shorten the arm that attaches to the headlight, or the arm that comes off of the motor, the headlight will go lower than it should when you lower it, then you have to compensate for that, so the headlight will just go up to the same height as stock.. Maybe im just overthinking this.. haha
The Mk3's headlihts aren't like the 240's. The headlight motor makes one full revolution every time it is switched on, so simply cutting the rod won't work. The cheapest and easiest way to get sleepies would be to use the adjustment knobs next to each headlight to get them where you want them, then unplugging the plug to the bottom of the motor. The headlights will still turn on and off as normal, but your motors will not move. The downside to this would be that you are stuck in sleepy mode, and can't put your light up or down. All you would need to do reverse it is plug the motor back in. I wouldn't suggest this mod unless you have HID's or a retrofit, because you will only have light from the top edge of your sealed beam light, and it's like your headlights aren't even on if you do it with the stock lights.
 

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I know ive seen people where they mod the headlight to move up and down like 2 inches.. I think you have to mod the arm that comes off the motor, but that still doesnt make sense to me..
 

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So you wired the fog lights to the outer projectors and then had high and low on the inner?

I was thinking high low in two different projectors. If i understand correctly, theres three wires on the headlight bulb, (I think.. hahaha) and one of them is for lows, and one is for high beams, and then a common ground? In stock form of course. Is that correct?
2 hella 90mm projectors won't fit on the same side. I tried.

My lights r wired like how u describe. The projector is low beam (hid), the high beam unit (halogen) turns on with the high beam light switch. Sorry, but I wouldn't be able to explain how to do it, I had someone else do the wiring.

I'm gonna change my setup by putting lexus ls430 projectors (the best of projectors) into h4 housings.
 
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2 hella 90mm projectors won't fit on the same side. I tried.

My lights r wired like how u describe. The projector is low beam (hid), the high beam unit (halogen) turns on with the high beam light switch. Sorry, but I wouldn't be able to explain how to do it, I had someone else do the wiring.

I'm gonna change my setup by putting lexus ls430 projectors (the best of projectors) into h4 housings.
Yeah i think im just going to use two halogen projectors.. I dont feel like messing around with HIDs. haha
Fyi....they would be wired the same way.
 

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I'd argue the LS460 is the best projector (as they're bi-xenon and the LS430 is only low beam), but they're a bit large...
 

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Fyi....they would be wired the same way.
I wouldnt have them wired the same way as you, as I would be switching between bulbs for high and low. You have it set up so when high beams are on the HID switches to high beam and then the second halogen projector turns on, correct?
 

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I wouldnt have them wired the same way as you, as I would be switching between bulbs for high and low. You have it set up so when high beams are on the HID switches to high beam and then the second halogen projector turns on, correct?
My Hella 90mm projector modules are not bi-xenon (low beam only). Additionally, I have Hella 90mm high beam modules (non-projector).


My headlights turn on in the following ways:

low beam HID "ON"
OR
low beam HID "ON" and high beam "ON"

Why would you need the low beam HID to turn "OFF" when the high beam is turned "ON"....since the high beam would overpower the low beam? Also, because of the brightness of HID lighting inside a projector, hardly is there a reason to turn "ON" high beam; hence, the reason that I have a halogen bulb in my high beam modules (no need to spend on HID).




Poodles: You've been talking about creating a light setup for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. :cry:Let's see results, at least progress. :thumbup:
 
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A semi bolt-in setup like yours is just to expensive for me to make at this time :cry:

Sure, I could slap something together, but I have high standards and don't like cutting corners, especially if I'm going to sell them.
 

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My Hella 90mm projector modules are not bi-xenon (low beam only). Additionally, I have Hella 90mm high beam modules (non-projector).


My headlights turn on in the following ways:

low beam HID "ON"
OR
low beam HID "ON" and high beam "ON"

Why would you need the low beam HID to turn "OFF" when the high beam is turned "ON"....since the high beam would overpower the low beam? Also, because of the brightness of HID lighting inside a projector, hardly is there a reason to turn "ON" high beam; hence, the reason that I have a halogen bulb in my high beam modules (no need to spend on HID).
Oh, I was under the assumption of you had bi-xenons. Sorry.

And honestly, I just dont have the cash flow to dump extra on a set of HIDs, plus i would have no idea how to wire it. Switching bulbs would be much easier to wire in
 

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Oh, I was under the assumption of you had bi-xenons. Sorry.

And honestly, I just dont have the cash flow to dump extra on a set of HIDs, plus i would have no idea how to wire it. Switching bulbs would be much easier to wire in
I'm sure there are electrical gurus here that could help you.
 

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A semi bolt-in setup like yours is just to expensive for me to make at this time :cry:

Sure, I could slap something together, but I have high standards and don't like cutting corners, especially if I'm going to sell them.
If you have welding skills, this is an good setup that could be easily made:

 

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Low beam hids have 2 wires. power and ground. You will need balasts , bulbs and projectors tho.

From a hyundai genesis

 

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I live in CA so my set up is probably illegal but i never use the high beams.

i believe the head light does a half revolution not a full revolution when turned one other wise it would just end up closed again. and you have to cut both arms to get working sleepeyes and reweld the ball joint onto the arm that is directly connected to the motor. and yes at first i did have problem with the angle of the light at first but it was as simple as buying a longer bolt for the up and down adjustment on the headlight housing.
 

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Correct, completely different. The hardest part of that entire assembly is the bezel around the lights...
Any chance that that assembly would bolt into the supras housing, since the mr2 and the supra share the same size headlight? Then make a custom shroud?
 

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Nsx conversion is cool...but still halogen.

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Any chance that that assembly would bolt into the supras housing, since the mr2 and the supra share the same size headlight? Then make a custom shroud?
The only way to find out is to buy the mr2 setup. Do it!
 

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I might.. I have to compare the cost of buying projectors and doing the work myself vs. the mr2 kit..

Just saw poodles post.. maybe not.. hahaha
 

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I might.. I have to compare the cost of buying projectors and doing the work myself vs. the mr2 kit..

Just saw poodles post.. maybe not.. hahaha
You're better of having a set fabricated for your car that is sure to fit.

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It'll be done when i have enough suspension work done to chase down an NSX in the swervies, and enough power to reliably eat corvettes and shit mustangs.
At the least, I assume that you're referring to an NSX with a legit driver, a Z06, and GT500.

When you've chased down, the NSX, eaten a Z06, and have had a GT500 exit out your rear end, you either have built one of the best handling 200MPH+ MK3 ever (and you are a legit driver) or decided to stop toying around with an MK3 and got down to business by purchasing another car like a 997 GT3 RS and you are a legit driver). :naughty:
 
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