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Thanks for the great info once more... My 7m is getting some 0w30 this spring... it's finally getting warm here but the car won't be out before mid may with all the sand on these back roads...

The real point of this message is concerning a new topic. I would like to hear more about your research on oil filters. There is mention of several brands, two that you recommend (PureOne or Wix filter). I've seen the Wix at a parts dealer in Montreal but normally I use a Fram type that is designed for Synthetic oil (is this marketing BS?). I would sure like to hear any facts or research you have compiled concerning filters.
 

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I've been meaning to talk about this...just have not gotten around to it. Since it was really off topic in the other thread, I created this one. Keep in mind, this discussion is going to center around relatively stock 7M motors to those in the 400'ish HP range. You start building a motor for the big HP numbers, you will need some mods to the oil/filter system to provide the flow needed. First, I'll discuss how a conventional full flow filter works.

Full flow filters are just that...oil under pressure flows through the filter media back to the motor. For the 7M engine reference this TRSM diagram:


The oil pump moves the oil from the pan directly to the filter bracket. It is pumped through the filter 1st, then is moved to the engine parts that require it. Note the relief valves...the 1st one is on the pump itself. Over ~40 psi oil is vented back to the pan...this is a regulator that prevents over pressurization of the system at high rpm. The second is on the oil filter bracket...this one directs oil to the cooler on a turbo motor. It functions in the 30-40 psi range...below this, there is no oil going to the cooler. The third is a fail safe in case the filter becomes clogged...it directs unfiltered oil back to the motor in this case. Not a likely event if you're using a good filter with a by-pass valve.

Filter flow is important...you want one that flows 7-9 GPM to provide adequate flow to the 7M. If you shim the pump to provide more pressure, you will need to modify the filter set-up or you risk putting the filter into by-pass. If this happens, you will be running unfiltered oil. Really high oil pressure is not necessarily a good thing ;)

Once oil enters the filter through the outside holes, it is forced through the filter media and exits out the middle hole that screws to the housing..full flow filters work from the outside in. At the dome of the filter there is a spring that holds the media cylinder against the base. At the top or bottom, a good filter will have a spring loaded by-pass valve...if pressure inside the filter overcomes the spring, the oil flows around the media back to the motor. At the base, a good filter will have an anti-drain back valve. Think of this as a check valve...it allows oil to flow in through the outside holes, but not in reverse. This is to keep the filter full and prevent momentary oil starvation to the engine as the filter fills up.

Here is some info on micron ratings vs. efficiency for filter media:
http://www.filtercouncil.org/techdata/tsbs/89-5R3.html

It just so happens I did an autopsy on a PureOne filter I was using as a tranny fluid filter to see if I had any metal present. It was not on the motor very long...it's purpose was to initially filter the ATF before I installed a Trasko by-pass filter. I'll talk about it 1st...here are the pics:









In the 1st pic the parts are shown in order left to right...casing, spring, media, and base. The 2nd pic shows the top of the media cylinder...the leaf spring goes on top of this. The green "button" in the middle is the by-pass valve...both the spring and by-pass valve are at the dome end of the filter. The 3rd pic shows the feed end of the filter...the red disk is the silicone rubber diaphragm-type anti-drain back valve (ADBV). If you look at the filter base you can tell how it would cover the outside holes preventing back flow from the filter.

Why do I like this filter? Take a close look at the media...it has numerous pleats that are close together. This means this filter has a larger surface area than most. The media itself is one the best out there for conventional filters...it is constructed of a dense paper/glass fiber and will catch particles at 99% @ 20 microns and 96% @ 10 microns efficiency. The largest media pore size is 42 microns, the smallest is 10 microns. The silicone ADBV is high quality and effective.

The only downfall for this filter is the by-pass valve location. It's at the top of the filter...if it were to function, oil would wash over the outside of the media possibly picking up debris and carrying it to the engine. Not a huge downside due to the unlikely event the by-pass valve would ever function...the media would have to be clogged for this to happen. This is a very well designed filter overall.

The Wix is also a very high quality filter...here's a pic:



The surface area and number of pleats is slightly less than the PureOne. The media is also not quite as fine...the largest pore size is 58 microns, the smallest is 19 microns. This cuts down the efficiency...Wix says it catches 98 % of particles 25 microns or larger. However, it also flows a bit better than the PureOne for the same reason. This filter also has a high quality silicone ADBV similar to the PureOne. The biggest difference is the location of the by-pass valve...it is at the entrance of the filter. If it functions, the oil by passes the media completely avoiding the situation in the PureOne.

Other quality filters are Mobil 1 and K&N...both are Champion Labs filters...note how similar they are. Here's the pics:







The Mobil 1 uses a synthetic media with excellent filtration ability...construction is similar to a PureOne, but more robust and also uses a heavy duty silicone ADBV. The K&N uses conventional media, but has more surface area than the Mobil 1 or PureOne...the ADBV is also silicone. Plus the K&N has the nut welded on the dome for easy removal. Both of these filters have the by-pass valve at the top of the filter. These filters are comparable to the Wix or PureOne...the difference is cost...bang for the buck, the Wix and PureOne beat them.

Another very popular filter here is Toyota OEM...it's actually a Denso filter made in Thailand. Here's some pics:











Note the lack of an end cap on the media cylinder...the pleats are glued together on the ends to prevent flow from getting around the media at the top/bottom creases. The by-pass valve is built into the top leaf spring and relies on the leaf spring to hold it against the center tube...it is inferior to the PureOne and even more so to the Wix. The ADBV is black nitrile. Compare construction of this filter to the PureOne above...there's a huge difference. Plus the media used in the Denso filter continues the trend...it is slightly better than a Fram Extra Guard. This filter was designed to be mass produced cheaply...not near the quality of the above filters. Next time you hear "Toyota filters are FTW!", point this thread out to them ;)

There is a difference in Toyota filters made in Japan. If you can find them (I've never seen one for a 7M at a US dealer)...for other Toyota car they are called TRD Denso Filters and are rather expensive. If you're motivated, you may be able to cross reference to one that will work on the 7M...really easy to do if you have a remote oil filter set-up. They are a resin type media and are very well constructed. Here's a comparison pic...the resin type is on top:



Here's a link to the construction of another type TRD filter...the TRD USA filter looks a lot like a Mobil 1. It's counterpart is pretty cheap...a lot like what you see for the standard Toyota OEM filters.

http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/parts/toyota_filter/trd_filters/index.html

This brings me to the Fram filters...take a look at the pics:







You want to avoid Fram Extra Guard filters like the plague. They are very cheaply made (ends of the media cylinder is cardboard), media surface area is 2/3 that of the PureOne, the media filtration ability is average at best, and the ADBV is black nitrile vs. silicone. The Fram Tough Guard is better with a cheaper version of the silicone anti-drain back valve and average filtration ability. The Fram Extended Guard is actually pretty good...but it is still cheaply constructed...note all 3 have the by-pass valve built into the leaf spring like the Toyota/Denso filter. Quality doesn't hold a candle to the Wix, PureOne, Mobil 1, or K&N filters in this respect. Fram filters are cheap for a reason...if you want to go cheap, use a STP (better media) or Wal-Mart SuperTech.

Here's a comparison of a few of the above filters:
http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html

Here's who makes the various filters out there:

Fram

Fram Extra Guard (std)
Fram Tough Guard (different media?)
Fram X2 (Silicone ADBV, Fuzzy media)
Fram Extended Guard (same as the X2)
Mileguard (Jiffy)
Honda (although some are alleged to be made by Filtech)
Chrysler line up except for the Cummins
Pennzoil (Extra Guard)
Deffense
Canadian Tire (Extra Guard)


Champion Labs

Bosch (Pre 2008)
Car and Driver
Deutsch
Mobil 1 (syn media)
STP
SuperTech
K&N
Valvoline filters
Mighty
Service Champ
Lee
AutoZone Value Craft
AC Delco (some)
VW (some)
Warner
Luberfiner
Trust


Wix

Carquest Blue
Carquest Red (lower quality with nitrile ADBV)
Napa Gold
Napa Silver (lower quality with nitrile ADBV)
Kralinator (in Canada)
ALLIANCE (Freightliner aftermarket)


Purolator (Arvin Meritor)

Purolator Premium Plus (nitrile ADBV)
Purolator PureOne (silicone ADBV, different media)
Havoline
Maxlife Valvoline (some)
Group7
Promotive
Powerflow
Quaker State (less media)
Advanced Auto Total Grip (less media)
Pep Boys Pro-Line
MotorCraft
Superflo
Bosch (After 2008)
 

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We had the orange rubber filters at one of the Toyota dealers I worked at. They are OEM on many cars. You can probably get it with the part number. Other than having Jeff Lange walk out get under the car or hood and write it down, I don't know how to get it.

That Toyota filter is different than just 5 years ago. That is about when there was a switch. There was a time when it said made in Japan, and listed the series of engines it worked on such as, R, M, JZ MZ, etc right on the front of the box. I don't know how much better it was than the newer one from Thailand.
 
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tissimo said:
Ok a question, a wix filter is the best bang for the buck, but which would you recomend regardless of price? I mean I dont mind spending a few bucks on a oil change every other month or so.. Does the Mobil 1 have better filtration then the pure one? or the K&N have better filtration and flow?
For a conventional 7M set-up...the Amsoil EaO filter:
http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/eao.aspx

The Mobil 1 would be second choice...filtration is close (not better than) to the ability of the PureOne.

For a full flow cooler set-up...the Canton Racing CM filter:
http://www.cmfilters.com/spin-on.cfm
 

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If those EaO filters keep turning in the data I've been seeing I may break down and buy one. That's something coming from someone who dislikes all things Amsoil. It'd be a good tranny filter too. I'm hoping that spun micro-glass synthetic media of Donaldson's used in the EaO is going to turn out to be the next big thing in consumer level filters and the price will come down. If it does I may even abandon TP. Well, not totally ;)
 

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JustAnotherVictim said:
I had always wondered what the difference between those Napa gold and silver filters were.

I know I've asked you about dual filter setups before but I was curious about how much difference there was between the filtration of the Wix and PureOne. Would it be enough to justify running a dual filter setup with those two or just stick with a Trasko and one of those two? I know that the Trasko will filter the oil more thoroughly but I'm just asking out of curiosity with a lower cost setup.
The Trasko is a by-pass filter...night and day difference from full flow filters like the Wix or PureOne. The Trasko will remove particles down to the 1 micron size. If you're going to run a dual filter head on a 7M, the Trasko and a full flow is the way to go. Otherwise, you might as well use a single head with a single full flow.
 

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Part numbers for the Denso-Japan oil filters (Thanks Jeff!)
Much higher quality that the ones made in Thailand.

Jeff Lange said:
Toyota USA is bringing in the nice Made in Japan oil filters again, they are stocked in California. I've sold 30 of them in the last couple weeks (albeit 10 were to myself).

90915-20004.

I've got 10 more in transit to my dealership from the USA.

All sizes of made in Japan filters are in stock in California, 90915-10003, 90915-10004, 90915-20003, 90915-20004, etc.

90915-20003 is the factory size filter for the 7M/1JZ/2JZ, 90915-20004 is the larger one used on the V8's and newer large 6's.
 

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Hey JDub,
Thanks for the thread as well as your others, it has made me think alot about what type of oil I should be running in my car. My question is what have you heard about Pure Power filters. I recently purchased on for my newly rebuilt 7m and have noticed quite a difference in carbon buildups/gunk that was trapped in the filter when cleaning during changes. It cost me 200 bucks but is seeming to do quite a good job. The demonstration that i saw last year at Hot August Nights in Reno was quite impressive and from what I understand they use them on a lot of high stress applications like nascar and on all the monster trucks. Before I was one of the ones who fell to the K&N hype and at 12 buck a filter this is starting to pay itself off quickly.
there link is www.gopurepower.com and the articles section has some intersting information.
Thanks for any input!
 

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Basically the Pure Power filter is a conventional full flow filter that used a woven stainless media. As such, it will never filter out the smaller particles in your oil....you simply can't get the mesh small enough. The marketing on this product states that your usual paper media
“Throw Away” Oil filters are designed to flow the oil BY (not through) the outside of pleated paper in hopes of catching particles that are inherent in motor oil.
This is not true...oil flow through the media in all full flow filters, otherwise how could they possibly work? This makes me suspect right off the bat about this filter.

What this filter will do is flow extremely well, though it will be at the expense of allowing smaller particles (30 micron from what I can gather) to flow in the oil. About 10 micron is the point where the particle is too small to cause wear/damage to your bearings.

Then there's the cost...you can buy a lot of Wix/Pure One filters at $5 each vs the $200 this filters cost. Either will do a better job IMO as well. If you want the best full flow filters out there, take a look at the CM (Canton) or the Amsoil EaO filters.
 

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Oil filter FO-8, part number 08922-02011, made in the USA. How is that compared to the Thailand special? Ever cut one open?

I don't know if you can still get them. I just found some of my old ones. I was just on the Champion site, and it says that part number is superceded by 90915YZZG1.
 

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Nick - From what I understand, the old Denso filters were pretty good...I've never had one though and did not have the opportunity to cut one open. All the ones I've seen in the US as of late are made in Thailand.
 

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EAo filters are excellent...my only problem with Amsoil is their pricing and marketing technique to keep that pricing at the level it is. If you plan on using Amsoil oil, my recommendation would be their Signature Series 0W-30 (SSO).
 

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A very good description on filter efficiency and what filter Beta (β) means.

Filter Manufacturers Council said:
Revised October 2005

Technical Service Bulletin 89-5R3
The Micron Rating for Media in Fluid Filters

A micron rating for a fluid filter is a generalized way of indicating the ability of the filter's media to remove contaminants by the size of particles it is exposed to. The micron rating does not properly or fully describe either the efficiency or the contaminant-holding capacity of the filter media. ENGINE AIR FILTER MEDIA IS NOT RATED BY MICRON SIZE. (Refer to TSB 04-3, Air Filter Life and Efficiency Ratings)

What does the word micron mean? The word micron is another term for micrometer (1 millionth of a meter). A micrometer is a unit of linear measure in the metric system used to measure distance from one point to another. It is used like the inch, foot, centimeter and millimeter to measure length, width or diameter of objects. Its scientific notation is μ. Some linear equivalents are 1 inch is 25,400 microns and 1 micron is .000039 inches. Some comparative sizes are:

Diameter of average human hair 70 microns
Lower limit of visibility (naked eye) 40 microns
White blood cells 25 microns
Talcum powder 10 microns
Red blood cells 8 microns
Bacteria 2 microns
Carbon black 0.6 microns
Tobacco smoke 0.5 microns

A filter that is marked or rated "10 micron" has some capability to capture particles as small as 10 micrometers. However, when you see a filter marked "10 micron", you do not know exactly what this means unless you also have a description of the test methods and standards used to determine the filter rating. The results from the different test methods may not be comparable as their methodology varies greatly.

The two most popular reported media ratings are a nominal micron rating (50%) and an absolute micron rating (98.7%). A nominal rating usually means the filter's media can capture a given percentage of particles of a stated size. For example, a filter might be said to have a nominal rating of 50% for particles 10 micrometers in size or larger. An absolute micron rating can be determined by single-pass or multi-pass testing and is usually obtained by passing a test fluid containing particles of a known size through a small, flat sheet of filter media. Any particles that pass through the media are captured and measured. An absolute rating is also expressed in the form of a percentage of the size of particles captured.

Until recently, there has not been one universally accepted test method to measure or describe the media pore size or the size of particles a filter media can capture and hold. Depending on which test method was used, the same filter media could be rated with different micron ratings, thus leading to confusion regarding how well the filter's media actually performs. Fortunately, there now exists a test procedure called multi-pass testing or Beta ratio testing (β) which is, a universally accepted test method that yields readily comparable test results. Multi-pass testing has been recognized by SAE (SAE J1858), ISO (ISO 4548-12, lube oil and ISO16889, hydraulic or fuel), ANSI (American National Standards Institute) and NFPA (National Fluid Power Association).

Multi-pass testing uses a specified contaminant, of known sizes, added regularly in measured quantities to the fluid which is pumped continuously through the filter. Measured samples of fluid are then taken at timed intervals from the upstream and downstream sides of the filter. The contaminant in the samples is measured for particle sizes and quantities of each size or range of sizes. From these upstream and downstream measurements, a Beta ratio is formulated by dividing the number of particles of a particular size in the upstream flow by the number of particles of the same size in the downstream flow. For example:

βx = # of Particles Upstream/# Particles Downstream

β10 = 1000/500 -or- β10 = 2

β stands for Beta
X represents the size of particle checked
X(c) per ISO 16889

In this example, the equation provides the following information: regarding 10- micrometer or micron size particles, the filter media tested has a Beta ratio of 2. This information is helpful but not useful without knowing what the ratio actually means. To translate the Beta ratio into meaningful information, subtract 1 from the original ratio and divide that answer by the original ratio. This answer represents the efficiency of the media at the specified particle size. For this example, take the Beta ratio of 2, subtract 1 from it and divide that answer by the original ratio of 2 or 2 - 1 = 1 ÷ 2 = 50% efficient at removing 10-micrometer or micron size particles. This formula is used to translate any Beta ratio into a percent efficiency at removing the size of particle tested. Here are a few Beta ratios and their corresponding efficiencies:

Beta Ratio ---- Efficiency
2........................50%
10......................90%
20......................95%
75......................98.7%
100....................99%
200....................99.5%
1000..................99.9%

Beta ratio information can also be stated as β 5/10/20 = 2/20/75. In this example, the media tested removed 50% of 5-micrometer or micron size particles, 95% of 10-micrometer or micron size particles and 98.7% of 20-micrometer or micron size particles presented to it. This same ratio information can also be stated as β 2/20/75 = 5/10/20. Both equations state the same information in two different ways and are both accepted by the industry.

Multi-pass testing provides an accurate, universally accepted, comparable test method to describe the efficiency of a media's ability to remove certain size contaminants. It can also determine the total contaminant holding capacity of the filter as well as some of its differential pressure capabilities. Its use eliminates the inaccuracies and confusion caused by the use of "micron ratings". For further information, see TSB 97-1R1, Hydraulic Filter Performance Criteria and TSB 04-2R1, ISO Updates to Multi-pass Liquid Filter Test Procedures.

For additional information, contact:
Filter Manufacturers Council
P.O. Box 13966
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-3966
Phone: 919/406-8817 Fax: 919/406-1306
www.filtercouncil.org
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Here's a link to another forum with pics of dissected oil filter showing their construction...seems there's another lunatic running around that cuts open filters ;)

Oil Filters - Dissected
 

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Nothing independent. Oil analysis for guys using that filter (other cars) have been very good particulate wise.
 
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