Colorado sucks. 15 rd mag limits July 2013. Hurry and buy a full size pistol now?

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Hello gents. I'm just grabbing some random opinions to see how logical my thought process is regarding my state's unfortunate legislation changes coming this summer. We will have mag limits of 15 rounds or fewer.

Many of the pistols I had my eye on for a year plus are 16-19 round mags. MP9, XD, XDm, many other full size 9mm and even some 40sw. I've rented a few, but never taken it really seriously since I haven't been in any rush. I'm an extreme researcher and, especially with firearms, I never rush a significant purchase.

Alright enough background BS.

Am I crazy to hurry my pistol purchase to beat my state's deadline this summer which will limit my choices to 15 rd and fewer? With the grandfather clause, anything i get pre July is kosher. Are there plenty of good 15 rd and under choices out there for full size pistols that I shouldn't bother?

A full size 45 would be fine, but I'm more of an accuracy person than power. I enjoy hitting a bullseye at the range more than feeling additional recoil so I've really been eyeing full size, high capacity 9mm options.
 

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Honestly...I would just move from that shit hole...
Yeah... just bought a brand new house in December so... not really a great time for that. Maybe in another 5 years.

For now... I'll have to deal with my beautiful state with gorgeous weather and our retarded Democratically controlled emotion-based legislature. :(
 

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Yeah... just bought a brand new house in December so... not really a great time for that. Maybe in another 5 years.

For now... I'll have to deal with my beautiful state with gorgeous weather and our retarded Democratically controlled emotion-based legislature. :(
Ouch...sell it? Move? Profit? Sell it to some anti-gun nut....advertise as home in gun free state lol
 

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Ouch...sell it? Move? Profit? Sell it to some anti-gun nut....advertise as home in gun free state lol
Haha, what's actually funny is the prices for my home went up just under 10% in about 3 months. If I were to sell today I could theoretically walk away with a decent profit. Alas, my 5 year plan is a little tied into CO through work and obviously the home. Who knows, in 2014 the Colorado state legislature may look entirely different. Either that or, I'll look to other states, perhaps Idaho. I was ready to jump ship last year when I felt my job wasn't going anywhere and I interviewed with Toyota Proving Grounds in AZ. A few months later I had a rejection from Toyota, a new boss at my current work, a promotion I didn't even ask for, a big raise and a great outlook on my work. Funny how quickly all that shit can change sometimes.

Anyway, back on track, I hope Dianna Degette keeps talking. She's helping the pro-gun crowd more than she ever imagined, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbel4SASUPQ

I'm going to round up all the full size pistols I've wanted and see if I can get my hands on them at a range or at least store in the next month. If I find one I love I'll buy all the standard mags I can and buy the compliant version later this summer.
 

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For now... I'll have to deal with my beautiful state with gorgeous weather and our retarded Democratically controlled emotion-based legislature. :(
Man does that sound familiar...except we've been limited to 10 rounds for years.

Honestly...I would just move from that shit hole...
Says the guy from TN...
 

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I carry a Kimber .45 ACP with 8 rnd Wilson combat mags... With one in the pipe and a spare mag I don't feel the least bit "disarmed".

But I'm still going to spread all of my 30 round AK mags out on the bed tonight and roll around on them naked just to mock you...
 

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^ You should get rid of that sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock ;)




It's a great place to visit. Except for Memphis where I usually am. It's a crap hole.
O yea..I forgot about Memphis and that new shit hole Mburo....yea stay away from those two shit hole cities and you will be fine.
 

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I carry a Kimber .45 ACP with 8 rnd Wilson combat mags... With one in the pipe and a spare mag I don't feel the least bit "disarmed".

But I'm still going to spread all of my 30 round AK mags out on the bed tonight and roll around on them naked just to mock you...
Yeah, I know there are plenty of great 45's out there and they all fall under the 15 limit. I was hoping to get a ton of practice with smaller caliber and lower cost 9mm rounds.

At the same time though... right now virtually any handgun ammo is hard to find and/or outrageously priced. :/
 

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I carry a Kimber .45 ACP with 8 rnd Wilson combat mags... With one in the pipe and a spare mag I don't feel the least bit "disarmed".

But I'm still going to spread all of my 30 round AK mags out on the bed tonight and roll around on them naked just to mock you...
bwahaha... seriously though, who needs more than 7-8 rounds? .45 is downright menacing when discharged... probably only need 4 shots or less to put the fear of god in someone
 

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bwahaha... seriously though, who needs more than 7-8 rounds? .45 is downright menacing when discharged... probably only need 4 shots or less to put the fear of god in someone
I think the same applies for the idea of why does someone need a car when a bicycle or horse works just as well...
 

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Because neither a bicycle or a horse works as well as an automobile. In order for your argument to be valid, you'd have to state that the 1911 style .45 ACP with an 8 round magazine is an unsuitable weapon for self defense compared to a 9mm with a 16 round mag. If that is your argument, I don't really know what to tell you...
 

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Because neither a bicycle or a horse works as well as an automobile. In order for your argument to be valid, you'd have to state that the 1911 style .45 ACP with an 8 round magazine is an unsuitable weapon for self defense compared to a 9mm with a 16 round mag. If that is your argument, I don't really know what to tell you...
Quite the opposite. I was comparing that the argument of "why do we need high cap mags, when you only need one bullet" With well if you use that logic than a horse or bicycle works just as well as a car.
 

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Quite the opposite. I was comparing that the argument of "why do we need high cap mags, when you only need one bullet" With well if you use that logic than a horse or bicycle works just as well as a car.
I never stated we need one bullet, nor did the guy you are replying to.
 

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?????

That sounds like an argument that why do we need high cap mags.....You've lost me Mike...
no one said no one doesn't need high-cap mags, you could in fact NEED them... my argument was quite the opposite, saying, personally using a 1911 in .45 I couldn't really see myself needing more than ~4 shots
 

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If you can't kill it with 15 rounds it's time to GTFO :runaway:
Ian, what's great about this post is that anytime I hear somebody say something like that I think of the pictures of your big ass spiders and bugs and shit in Australia. :biglaugh:

I was going to post a picture here, but after 15 seconds of google image search I can't look at those crazy fuckers anymore. I'm going to have nightmares.

Thanks, Ian, look what you did. Asshole.
 

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Ian, what's great about this post is that anytime I hear somebody say something like that I think of the pictures of your big ass spiders and bugs and shit in Australia. :biglaugh:

I was going to post a picture here, but after 15 seconds of google image search I can't look at those crazy fuckers anymore. I'm going to have nightmares.

Thanks, Ian, look what you did. Asshole.
LOL seriously if it's not dead in 15 shots it wins by default and I'm leaving! ;)
 

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LOL seriously if it's not dead in 15 shots it wins by default and I'm leaving! ;)
If it isn't dead in 15, you're probably in the process of being eaten before you even get that many fired off... i.e. grizzly bear?

On a serious note, I don't have much experience with pistols, so I can't say for sure whether I'd want the extra weight of another 10-12 rounds. Although I can imagine that the less you HAVE to reload, the better, in a real world situation.
 

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Well, I went to the range and rented most everything they had in 9mm and .45. I LOVED the Sig P226 in 9mm. Smooth as silk, seemingly less recoil, my accuracy was twice as good compared to any other 9mm or .45 I tried.

I used:
Springfield XDM 9, 45
FNH FNS9
M&P 9
H&K USP 45
Remington 1911 45
Sig Sauer P226 9mm
Sig Sauer P220 .45

The Sig felt instantly better than anything by the grip alone. I've got bigger hands and I think the ergonomics of the 226 grip just fit my size better than anything else. The H&K USP felt pretty good too, but the trigger on the 226 was just butter and for whatever reason I was instantly more accurate with the 226. The 220 wasn't as impressive, but still a better feel on the grip than most anything else.

Luckily (I guess) the 226 comes standard with a 15 round mag in 9mm so I'm in no hurry for that. Woo!

Can anyone recommend any others not mentioned that may have similar feel in both the grip and trigger of the P226?
 

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I take it you didn't care for the 1911?

the most accurate automatic handgun I've used was a S&W 9mm (cut a small tree in half w/ the first shot @ 20yrds)

the 1911 though, is by far my most favorite design (even knock-offs) it's the fact that the grip is designed to allow the shooter to automatically aim where he is looking, even if not aiming down the sights (I believe sig uses similar grip designs)

also, ballistics. if I can bring up a gun and hit my target from the hip, I don't need a round that is good at cutting, I need something that will cause massive trauma with minimal penetration (aka .45 acp hollow point) and will stop the aggressor dead, or will at least cause him to falter severely... .45 is called "man stopper" for very good reason.

Once again, if I can hit my target, and cause severe trauma, or cause him to fall. I will not need more than a couple rounds, possible you may not need more than 1.

Thing is, of at least three people I know personally, in self defense scenarios they did not need more than 2 rounds. guy#1 shot in the head w/ .44 mag (1 round) guy#2 shot in the head w/ .45 acp (1 round) guy #3 shot in back w/ .50 AE (2 rounds) all of the offenders were killed on the spot (3 guys dead, 4 bullets used)

I can also think of another guy who used a .44 mag on an intruder, blew his leg to smithereens. guy lived, but one shot was fired... all that was needed.
 

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I didn't like the 1911 because the grip was so narrow. I think a wider set of grips would change my perception of it, but I wasn't much of a fan. I liked the sig 220 and USP more when considering the 45's I tried.

As far as caliber and stopping power and all that... In my mind, being comfortable with the gun is more important than anything. Before worrying about how quickly I can drop somebody I'd like to be sure that I can hit the target cleanly and reliably and keep successive shots under control.

For me, that means a full sized pistol in a less than .45 caliber. I'm sure with enough practice I'd be just as accurate with a 45, but for now I need all the help I can get. :biglaugh:
 

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I didn't like the 1911 because the grip was so narrow. I think a wider set of grips would change my perception of it, but I wasn't much of a fan. I liked the sig 220 and USP more when considering the 45's I tried.

As far as caliber and stopping power and all that... In my mind, being comfortable with the gun is more important than anything. Before worrying about how quickly I can drop somebody I'd like to be sure that I can hit the target cleanly and reliably and keep successive shots under control.

For me, that means a full sized pistol in a less than .45 caliber. I'm sure with enough practice I'd be just as accurate with a 45, but for now I need all the help I can get. :biglaugh:
First thing I did with my EDC 1911 was dump some Hogue grips onto it for $20...best $20 I've spent ever.
 

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I didn't like the 1911 because the grip was so narrow. I think a wider set of grips would change my perception of it, but I wasn't much of a fan. I liked the sig 220 and USP more when considering the 45's I tried.
There are 1911 models with a double stack magazine, those might be more to your liking. I held a few at the last gun show, and they were just way too big for my hand. The single stack 1911 (Remington) that I ended up buying, feels nice and stable in my hand, the weight isn't too bad (I'm not a big guy by any means), and the grip is nice and rough. The grip of that and the record of the 1911 were pretty much my deciding factors on my purchase.

That said, I held quite a few other pistols that day, the USP had a nice feel, but for ~$1000, I decided to look elsewhere. The Beretta M92 that I held, I liked it as well, but it was also rather pricey. If I were getting a 9mm, that would probably be among the top contenders for me.
 

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I didn't like the 1911 because the grip was so narrow. I think a wider set of grips would change my perception of it, but I wasn't much of a fan. I liked the sig 220 and USP more when considering the 45's I tried.
understandable... sounds like you might have a little bit bigger hands than me.

As far as caliber and stopping power and all that... In my mind, being comfortable with the gun is more important than anything. Before worrying about how quickly I can drop somebody I'd like to be sure that I can hit the target cleanly and reliably and keep successive shots under control.
seems logical... that's where practice comes into play... in the end you'll know what suits you best. I have no issue controlling a .45. but stance and hold is important if you plan on hitting multiple targets with speed and accuracy.

as much shooting as I've done, hitting the target is of no concern to me, neither is recoil. I know I can hit what I intend to, so my biggest concern is penetration. whatever happens, you do NOT want to hit an innocent bystander

One more thing to consider is that most self-defense scenarios occur at extremely close range... keep this in mind when you practice... it should be extremely easy to hit what you need to, even if you don't have time to aim properly.