Bolt on Big Brake Kit For around 300$.

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^^^^^You don't need to laugh at him or be unruly. He may have just not included the hub centering rings in the video by accident. At least he's putting an effort into providing these videos. He also did a fine job in giving everyone they're deserved credit for the research. Take it easy... it is after all called poor man mods, not deep pockets mods. different strokes for different folks.
 

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sorry i was a little harsh but really he should do more research and be positive he knows what hes talking about then before making a how to video.......it wouldn't have cost him any more getting the recommend rotors like everyone else that are 13" have full pad contact and are spaced out right to fit the caliper without grinding. and you can't just use any old bolts for brakes they're always grade 10.9 or grade 8 or higher. being iffy on engine mods is one thing but brakes suspension and steering need to be taken seriously and done right cause a failure can be life or death where as if you do something wrong and blow up your engine you just cry but can walk away. and he was straight wrong about the cobra brakes. i just think if you're going to spend the time to make an informative video take some time to get your facts right!
 

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that's the same guy i bought mine off of, same calipers too. He definitely noticed them being bought up more and more recently and upped his price because I noticed they started from ~75 and have climbed to as high as ~150
 

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Those are not the correct calipers. Look back a couple pages.

They have gone up in price because everyone just started buying them up like crazy.
 

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whats wrong with slotted AND drilled? or just personal preference.

AND... is anybody finding the EVO brembo rears for a better price than $200 a set?
 
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Slotted and drilled are for brake pad material used about 40 years ago. It allowed trapped gases to escape. If your going BBK you should be concerned with maximum effective pad contact area. Slotted and drilled are not good as they reduce contact area and add stress points that shouldn't be there. Aesthetically they look cool. But that's it.

They aren't as effective or safe
 

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Just to put this to rest... (The slotted and drilled rotors) someone explain why companies sell these? With present day brake pads, gases are no longer produced... So that argument doesn't work. Heat reduction? Less surface area = less thermal transfer... So that doesn't work.
Only a few very high end manufacturers actually forge the slots and holes into the pad... The rest are machined. That leads to a high potential risk of cracking...

So why do people like SPRacing say they are better and then use the 60's brake pad characteristics to explain why.

Confuses me... Do I have it wrong??
 

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I looked into the evo rears, decided I'd wait until next year lol, the rear setup was going to cost me more than the fronts did!
ya. :/ i havent dropped the money yet for rears simply cause a set of calipers is so high. got to be cause they are from an "EVO".

I just purchase Power Stop Rotors, i have the calipers and just getting the last few things to get it together.
 

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Slotted and drilled are for brake pad material used about 40 years ago. It allowed trapped gases to escape. If your going BBK you should be concerned with maximum effective pad contact area. Slotted and drilled are not good as they reduce contact area and add stress points that shouldn't be there. Aesthetically they look cool. But that's it.

They aren't as effective or safe
I have always been under the same impression that slotted > Drilled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Drilled and Slotted. For the reasons you mentioned. Having them drilled OR Slotted is beneficial for heat and pad dust distribution but having both decreases surface area and strength.

Seems like the general consensus is slotted is slightly better for stopping power/heat distribution but will wear pads faster than drilled but both pretty good options.

And its always annoyed me that it is so difficult to find slotted only options or even drilled only in some applications.
 

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My rear rotors and pads are getting tired but I'm gonna try and stretch em till next year, simply because I'll have the winter to find a good deal/save the extra cash for the evo set up...I mean they are ONLY rear brakes, not like we need em
 

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Anyone have pics of the brake line connected to the Caliper ??


FYI- if anyone interested, i might be looking to sell my calipers with HUB rings.
 

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I have always been under the same impression that slotted > Drilled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Drilled and Slotted. For the reasons you mentioned. Having them drilled OR Slotted is beneficial for heat and pad dust distribution but having both decreases surface area and strength.

Seems like the general consensus is slotted is slightly better for stopping power/heat distribution but will wear pads faster than drilled but both pretty good options.

And its always annoyed me that it is so difficult to find slotted only options or even drilled only in some applications.
I personally would only use non-slotted and undrilled on our cars. Slotted have a ridge which reduces pad life and removes (slightly) contact area. Our pads do not need a "gas release" area. Most of the slotted/drilled benefits are a myth... But they do look cool.
 

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The second ones you sent are the correct ones. The pics are a few pages back.
 

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I honestly don't remember what I linked but the ones I linked a page back look right judging by the pictures. The sell said s430 '00 model calipers and they have the larger mounting tabs.
 

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You will also like your brakes better if you replace the 25-30 year old hoses and ensure the caliper slides are lubricated. Finding fairy dust to remove 500 lbs would also help.
 

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Hey, if you're offering I can send you my address SideWinder. It wasn't a question about brake lines, it was a question about the BBK. I read this entire thread and I saw a mention of ABS "sorting out" the distribution of fluid between rear and front.

Anyway thanks for the feedback, guys. Now I know my dreams of playing at Alabama University can come true!
 

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Read all the way through, must have missed this - I was originally planning on getting some hub centric rings for my XXR 535 wheels, but if I have hub centric rings for the rotors can I still run them for the rims as well? Can't find much info on that particular question. Thank you!
 

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I run 15mm spacers on my car and there Toyota bore 60.1. So i had to sand away the small amount of hub centric ring that stuck out past the disk so then the spacer could sit flush on the disk. it was only a couple of milimeters.

for a wheel centric ring you may just be able to slide it on aswell and butt the two against each other
 

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Guys, just a quick question:

which brake pump will work best with these and will be a upgrade from stock: RAV 4 or Hilux ? I don't remember but my bet will be Hilux. Am I right ?
 

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There is no impact if you are going to retain ABS with these brakes correct? Getting ready to get the Supra kicked out of hibernation and this is an item I have been meaning to address for some time.
 

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There is no impact if you are going to retain ABS with these brakes correct? Getting ready to get the Supra kicked out of hibernation and this is an item I have been meaning to address for some time.

i didn't change master cylinders and my cars abs everything works great car stops awesome over and over and over yet to make them fade!

one thing though if you are pushing the car like at a track when braking after a long straight make sure to just lightly push the brakes before your braking point. thats the one thing about these compared to stock that you need to keep in mind. the calipers are fixed so you will get slight pad knock back its just part of the deal. my friend crashed his fd at our hill climb cause of pad knock back. i haven't experienced it that bad with these brakes but have hit them hard with out doing that after not having to brake for a while and it didn't stop straight cause the pistons werent in the same spot as each other. once you tap them though then lay into it they brake nice and straight. :biglaugh: