2jzge-T swap notes and pricelists

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So this thread is mainly for me, I've been bookmarking alot of stuff at "work" :biglaugh: and keep forgetting to transfer them so I can reference at home. I'm doing a 2jzge-T w/7M electronics (link to build thread is in my sig) and have a compiled a decent list of posts related to this swap. If anyone else has anything to add, please do so!

Stuff you need:
-2jzge (duh), preferably w/all accessories
-1jz bellhousing if you're using a R154, 2jz W58 bellhousing if you are using a W58 trans
-1jz flywheel or a lightweight FW like DM and 935 sell
-Jza70 motor mounts (late '89+) or BIC swap mounts ('86-early'89 and late'89-'92)
-7M harness/ECU, sensors, injectors etc.

Build Threads etc.:
Yankiwi
p5150
p5150,reasons for going 2jzge-T
hottscennessey
supra87t/t4 and 88supraTT towards the end :biglaugh:
XofXtimeX
Costs in 2jzge-T vs 7M
Headgaskets and C/R

Wiring:
General wiring info
General wiring info2
General wiring info3
Wire routing
CPS info
CPS modification to fit 2jzge head
2j TPS into 7M harness wiring
Alternator
Alternator Wiring
Thread-in o2 sensor

Lines/Hoses:
Radiator
Heater
Heater2
Yankiwi Rad/Heater
P/S hookups, for 1jz but should be similar
P/S hookup pics, for 1jz but should be similar
P/S
Turbo oil lines
My oil feed
CNA-T oil line thread
Oil pressure sender line
Fuel Lines

Misc:
Temp sensors, A/C bracket etc
Mounting
A/C
Throttle Cable
Replacing plugs on a 2jzge
Plug gap
Plugs/gapping
hottscennessey's Stinger map
Basic NA-T installation
GE vs GTE basics
2jzge vacuum diagram
Fitting Domestic Injectors in the 2jzge fuel rail
2jz NA-T 1/4 mile and Dyno #s
 
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Re: 2jzge-T swap notes

Added some more stuff GeneStarWindGSW sent me, thanks!
 

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Re: 2jzge-T swap notes

i like this list! 2jzge-t is one swap i cant wait to do on an mkii ;)
 

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Re: 2jzge-T swap notes

Wow, nice work getting it all in one place!

I hope to be able to add some more info soon, I am back into my 2JZGE-T project after a little time away......
 

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Re: 2jzge-T swap notes

Awesome, you should come up for the spring cruise in Austin. I'm hoping to have my car done by then :)
 

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I will try and make the Austin cruise.. I went to the one last spring, but I missed the one in fall:cry:
 

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Re: 2jzge-T swap notes

Added a few more links based on my progression with my swap. I'll keep adding stuff as I find more!
 

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Gotten some questions about prices on stuff, figured I'd post up my costs and get other people to as well.

Total thus far is $4700 for everything to get it running and all of the upgrades (including shipping), putting me at $5700 including what I paid for the car.

Engine/Maintenance:
Motor $250.00
jza70 bellhousing $300.00
1jz flywheel $130.00
BIC motor mounts $175.00
1jz PS Hose $65.00
1j ARP fw bolts $31.50
plugs, oil drain, tap, shipping etc. $73.95
DIS-8 Plug Wires $30.00
Fluids (coolant, syn trans/diff) $80.00
Serp Belt $15.00
IM gasket/EGR gasket $13.00
rear main $20.00
Timing belt $25.00
Thermostat $10.00

Mods:
FMIC Kit $303.00
Type-S BOV $35.00
935 DIY Exhaust w/cat $263.86
Downpipe parts $145.00
Walbro $98.00
Aeromotive AFPR kit $266.68
MP T70 $565.00
RX7 680s and clips $280.00
T4 Manifold $119.00
Lexus AFM $60.00
50mm Wastegate $80.00
South Bend Stg 3 clutch $447.75
Marlin Crawler shifter seat/socket $23.20
-4AN oil feed line $55.00
3" flex section $25.00

Electronics/Misc:
SAFC $100.00
Autometer CF EGT $80.00
Innovate LC-1 $200.00
Innovate SSI-4 $100.00
Prosport A/F gauge $60.00
 

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Found a vac diagram for the 2jzge that was infinitely helpful in hooking things up, added to the list. Should have some more stuff to add once it's actually running :)
 

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Finished up my wiring and added a few links to the first post...

Credit Mobes for figuring out the TPS wiring
 

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Which one is more reliable, the 7m or 2jz, and how hard is it to put the 2jz in a mkIII? Can I use my stock shifter and steering wheel? Is the 2jz steering wheel different? I was also wondering if I could use my old 7m rings so I don't have to buy any new ones for my 2jz. Thanks.


Great work doc, and even if you sticky it, you'll still get tons of silly questions, but I hope it ends up on the sticky list. I've saved this to my favorites for the helpful links and I already know the answer to most of those questions I asked............:biglaugh:
 

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Which one is more reliable, the 7m or 2jz, and how hard is it to put the 2jz in a mkIII? Can I use my stock shifter and steering wheel? Is the 2jz steering wheel different? I was also wondering if I could use my old 7m rings so I don't have to buy any new ones for my 2jz. Thanks.


Great work doc, and even if you sticky it, you'll still get tons of silly questions, but I hope it ends up on the sticky list. I've saved this to my favorites for the helpful links and I already know the answer to most of those questions I asked............:biglaugh:
7M rings can be used but you have to use the 2j muffler bearings. I think you can use the 2j shifter as the steering wheel and the 7M steering wheel to shift (maybe the other way around??)...

For anybody in the future who's seriously thinking about asking stupid questions, SEARCH!!!

J/K :sarcasm: I've asked hottscennessy and Yankiwi plenty of stupid questions during my swap :biglaugh:
 

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I'll search driftmotion for the 2j muffler bearings. I have a brand new set of 7m bearings sitting in my floor beside my computer. I couldn't afford the titanium covered ones, but these should do. Thanks.
 

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Damn, do I have to do everything for you?? Chrome Titanium Cryocarbon jdm Mufflerbearing

Remember, it's a 2jz so you only need 2 instead of 7. It is also guaranteed to get you laid which comes in handy for us married guys...
$15.00 for a get laid guarantee........I would have paid two hundred..........:naughty:

Thanks for the sticky IJ,......... I mean Mr. Ian.
 

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sorry if this is a stupid question, but would it matter what 2jzge you use, i.e. JDM, USDM GS, USDM SC etc, because it seems like the wiring diagrams on supra.nl are for the jdm 2jz, but wouldnt it be easier to use a 2j from a usdm car, that way the ecu is already on the pass side, any info would be greatly appreciated
thanks
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sorry if this is a stupid question, but would it matter what 2jzge you use, i.e. JDM, USDM GS, USDM SC etc, because it seems like the wiring diagrams on supra.nl are for the jdm 2jz, but wouldnt it be easier to use a 2j from a usdm car, that way the ecu is already on the pass side, any info would be greatly appreciated
thanks
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Most guys use the 2JZGE (USDM), and run it off the 7M wiring harness. The appeal of this is:

No distributor
No behind-dash wiring
runs 7M sensors
Coil packs
Can use 7M piggybacks etc.

The main pros of using a supra/Sc300 2JZGE are the mid sump oil pan.

There are some people using the 2JZGE harness/ECU that I've been in contact with, but I'm sorry, I have no further information on it.
 

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how much would a basic 2jz-ge swap cost (only the parts)? I'm talking about the stock motor. No na-t until later on :( That includes auto to R154 swap as well.
 

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Depends on what you got the motor and trans for, just subtract off all the turbo stuff
 

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Ahh ok. Thanks.. I found a motor up in NY for $400 (out of an SC) but that's just way too far. I'm gonna check the local junkyards sometime soon and see what I find.
 

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Added some info on fitting domestic injectors to the 2jzge rail under the "misc" section.
 

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To add a little bit of back-up information to this:

1) It does not matter which 2jzge you use (jdm, usdm gs, usdm sc...). I have a GS block and head, and an SC upper and lower oil pan. Then the valve covers are SC as well, iirc. They sit higher than the GS ones by a quarter of an inch or so.

2) Most of the vacuum system can be completely blocked/deleted from what I am seeing. The only uses seem to be for boost connections, oil catch cans, and a few other things (2jzge specific - the butterfly plate in the intake plenum that closes with more vacuum pressure. I am leaving this open as some have mentioned they see a bit more torque in the low end, but it really doesn't seem to matter to me. I may test it out one day and see...), but most of the entire nasty mess can be cleaned up for nicer looks

3) The wiring comes down to maybe 6 or so points that matter, the rest seems to be useless and I just zip tie it into the harness's new split loom to make it all look cleaner, but still keep that capability to go back.

I have borrowed a digital camera so I will be getting some really good pictures and doing a better job of writing up the final pieces in my build thread in a day or two. And then hopefully add a first start video before the weekend!
 

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I recently bought a 88 hardtop turbo supra. this is my 2nd supra and I cant wait to see what comes out of it. this car almost has 200k miles on it and I want to swap that old 7m motor out. I've been reading the forums and i've decided the 2jzge swap is the best choice for me according to my budget. I wont be able to afford the turbo kit soon so I just want to swap in the n/a for now. NOW FOR MY QUESTION. Would I have to swap 7mge electronics or can i still use the 7mgte electronics? SRRY IF I'M BEING A NOOB AND IF THIS WAS COVERED ALREADY.

THANKS RUBEN
 

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ok I will definitly be looking forward to this swap. Im gonna stack up money and hopefully I can start the swap sometime in may or june. thanks for your help.
 

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i have noticed that alot of the 2j na->t's out there use the stock intake manifold. would it be worth it to use a turbo FFIM?

also being that i would be going from 1j to 2j, i dont have any of the 7m sensors and electronics left...so am i going to have problems with wiring using all 2j sensors and wiring?
 

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The 2jzgte intake manifold doesn't bolt to the ge head, few people have used custom FFIMs though. I'm not sure you can run a 2jzge off 1jz electronics, your best bet would probably be a 1.5jz (1j head on a 2j bottom end).
 

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Do everyone a favor... make sure you have the funds and a stable job! I'm having to switch back to 7m by trading someone my 2jz. I was laid off and cannot finish the swap. I'm so frustrated and feel like a failure, but at least I'll have my car back and running and making the power I wanted... :love: I cannot afford to finish the swap nor do I have the time to let it sit, so forcefedsupra and soundslikesemi87 are helping me put a nice 7m back in it. I don't know what I'd do without friends like them :icon_bigg
 

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That sucks man, I've had my pay cut (and it looks like I will again in the coming months) but I'm thankful to still have a job. Good friends will get you through anything, glad you're getting your Supra back on the road at least!
 

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That's what I'm saying lol And at least I don't have to sell the car. I'll still be in the power range I want, just not 2jz. But I will get to still work on and be around that motor too. Stuff happens and sometimes you have to play the card you're dealt and put a dream on the back-burner. At least now it wont take me 8 months if I want to do another 2jz swap, I now know everything that I had to learn previously lol
 

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Damn, looks like the forum update screwed up the links :( Guess I'll start working on rebuilding them when I have some free time. Here's a post that talks a little about the oval plug, I'll see if I can dig up the wiring diagrams for the SC also:
http://www.supramania.com/forums/sh...-87T&p=531262&highlight=alternator#post531262

Edit-had a few mins before my next meeting, I mean during lunch :) Fixed the links up top, also skimmed through my 95 Supra wiring manual, here's the Alt wiring, not sure if the colors will match up with yours but it's a starting point:




7M wire colors/plug layout (from '89 wiring manual):


 
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