2JZ NA-T in my 87T

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Here is a little index I made, these are some pages with threads... there is a lot of good technical information inbetween. Slowly the pictures will start disappearing, so enjoy while you still can ;)

motor almost ready to drop in
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34525&page=3

motor insatlled
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34525&page=9

custom FFIM pictures arrive from Seth
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34525&page=11

IC pipe routing
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34525&page=12

complications, and downpipe pictures
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34525&page=14

progress pictures
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34525&page=16

finished pictures
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34525&page=36

alcohol injection nozzle installation
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34525&page=37

new wheels
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34525&page=39







This is where it all started:






Here comes another 2JZGE thread..

To start it off, I'm going with a 2JZGE out of an SC300 to be run with my R154 using a 1JZ bellhousing, and BIC motormounts.

I plan on running this with the same fuel setup from my 7M, 550cc injectors with a walbro fuel pump, Aeromotive AFPR. I'm also running the Devilsown Methanol injection kit.

Engine management - I'm going to give a shot running it off the 7M electronics, and MAF-T. If/when this doesn't work I have arrangements to have a MegaSquirt system built.

I'm still not sure about which turbo I want to run, but I'm looking at a Masterpower T70 w/ a .96 A/R. I'm going to be running the SSautochrome manifold. I was very impressed with their manifold on my 7M.

intercooler setup will be the Maxxautoworks IC I ran on my 7M. Until I switch to a FFIM setup.

 
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The .96 a/r seems a bit large IMO. Folks are making plenty of power in excess of 600RWHP on the top end with even a .81.

Of course the megasquirt will be better to tune being a full standalone. If you're setting up a complete wiring job, investing that time into a standalone the first time around will net larger results. Especially the cost of the megasquirt, less than $600 including a EDIS-6 triggerwheel, EDIS ignitor, and use stock 7M coils, it just saves you time down the road.

Or I recommend you to get a Stinger, less than $900 shipped, and use the stock harness and sensors, very simple. With this, you can use the 7M GTE electronics, and when you want, splice into the factory 7M harness with the Stinger, and you will be able to go back and forth with the two if you'd like. Lots of features, including anti-lag!
 

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Yea man, I'm hoping to use a masterpower turbo, and unfortunately the T70 I have my eye on I can only find in .68 A/R and .96. Ideally I'd have a .84, as that is what my 57 trim Garrett was. The spool on it was amazing.

I'm considering the Stinger as an option, the reason I'm leaning towards MS is because my friend will build, install, and tune it for me for $700. This includes a for replacement on my motor if anything happens on his tune. He has insurance and is trying to make a business of building MS for people :).


Progress for today:

-Grinded and drilled the CPS so it fits nicely in the GE head.
-Removed the wiring harness, manifolds to prepare for headgasket replacement.
 

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Honest opinions guys.. .68 or .96?

Either way I'm hoping to switch housings with my Garrett so I can keep the .84
 

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So how much is this costing you from start to finish. Don't count the turbo, manifold, intercooler, etc as that price is the same regardless of the swap.
 

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we're looking at:

Motor: 650 Shipped
1JZ bell housing: ~320 Shipped
BIC Motormounts (I'm pre-89): 175 Shipped
1JZ Flywheel: ~200-300 Shipped (depending on if you want lightweight or OEM)

Running on stock electronics we're looking at approx: $1500

After proper EMS, we're looking at $2000+
 

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Honest opinions guys.. .68 or .96?

Either way I'm hoping to switch housings with my Garrett so I can keep the .84
ide go with the .68, but i like quick spools :evil3:
 

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hottscennessey said:
we're looking at:

Motor: 650 Shipped
1JZ bell housing: ~320 Shipped
BIC Motormounts (I'm pre-89): 175 Shipped
1JZ Flywheel: ~200-300 Shipped (depending on if you want lightweight or OEM)

Running on stock electronics we're looking at approx: $1500

After proper EMS, we're looking at $2000+
You rule brotha! Its nice to know that others see the light!:evil2:

Dramon on CNAT was talking about using the JDM TT ECU and just wiring the 7MGTE CPS into the place of the camshaft sensor.... He said that the output signals are the same, and it appeared to be so with the data he posted....

I think you would have to install a MAP sensor but that is easy money..... Kind of a exploratory idea really..... I just dropped the 1400 on a new AEM EMS with all the money I saved by NOT REBUILDING THE 7M.
 

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Thats a good point about the TT ECU! I didn't even think about that.. watch.. now it will be the big thing for 7Mers! They'll run COP, and MAP all with the stock CPS, all on the stock 440's! They'd just have to rewire the injectors to be high imp.

I think it'll be a great build, and not too much work. I can't believe more people havn't done it.

But the running rate for my MS system is going to be $575 installed! I guess that means I have no excuse to try running my car off the 7M ECU.
 

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My next obstacle will be a PS AND AC delete... I think I may have to apply the PS pulley to the idler pulley, after some extensive machine work of course..

If that won't work, I'll keep the PS and build a custom mounting bracket, as the PS pump relys on the AC pump for support.
 

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ehh, I don't feel like buying lines ;)

BTW: Can you move your drive belt tensioner with your hands, or even your entire body mass? I can't. Seized?

AND: Anyone know a good place for affordable 2JZGE HG's?
 
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No man - My motor was missing that part when it was sent so I have to source one locally.
 

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Driftmotion sells lines that should work (1JZ).

the belt tensioner can be moved by hand (both mine do)

affordable 2JZ-GE headgaskets, horsepowerfreaks (from Cometic).

Keep powersteering in your MA70 tank.

Someone mentioned to me that a Mustang (or other engine) tensioner may work with the AC/PS delete. I have yet to try it, but I will with the bastard JZ.
 

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RacerXJ220 said:
Someone mentioned to me that a Mustang (or other engine) tensioner may work with the AC/PS delete. I have yet to try it, but I will with the bastard JZ.
Thanks for all the info! I went with the cometic BTW. Do you have any more info on the Mustang tensioner? Mine is infact ceased, and in the garbage can.
 

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Just take the old tensioner wheel to Autozone, O'RLY's, or Advanced and tell them you need a six rib wheel. They might have one in stock that will fit, which was my original plan to do. I haven't done it yet!

You obviously need another tensioner though! ;) Once you have that, then you can measure accurately for which belt you need.
 

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Where's all the pics? ;)

You gave up on the 7M wiring already? I guess I'll be the guinea pig for that one then.

Glen
 

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I dunno man I might still do the 7M electronics.. but it's looking doubtful. I'm possitive I can get the motor running off the 7M ecu with very little work, I should do it because it would be so simple. It would take less than an hours work of soldering, and switching some coolant sensors, mounting the coil packs on the firewall, etc.

I recieved my SS Autochrome manifold yesterday.. along with an inlet pipe, dump tube, and downpipe (wich I will cut and re-weld to my existing DP). All came to me for 233 shipped. Everything looks awesome.

I also got my 1JZ bellhousing from Jeff at Champion today.

Pics should be up later tonight, if I stop being lazy ;)
 

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Its funny when people say, "Cheap, fast, reliable - pick two" because they dont realize that "cheap" doesnt mean "inexpensive". What it means is "shitty quality".

A harbor freight hammer will pound the nail just like a hammer at Lowes, but it will save you 15 bucks!
 

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LOL, even if we're 2JZ, we're still MKIII people (cheap..err... price concious ;))
hey thats not true about all mkiii people:biglaugh:
 

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this is looking better and better for me. a friend bought a 5speed MKIV NA with a fresh rebuild on the motor, and swapped everything to a TT, then strapped on a big ass turbo. looks like i have a full motor/tranny/wiring and accessories all at my disposal, if i pony up some cash.
 

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LOL Chris, you arn't an MKIII owner.. well.. you are.. but you're a wanna-be MKIV owner.

And foreverpsychotic, it's a lot of work.. kinda. but you should definately look into it if you have the means to.
 

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Time for an update.. 7M and R154 are out.













Thanks to Randy from BIC motormounts, ARZ for the aluminum -10 flange, and Jeff at Champion for the 1JZ bellhousing.

The turbo is a Master Power "T70", w/ a .68 A/R. Mike Turbo was having a special on it, I got it for under 600 shipped.
 

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looks good bro - is that oil filter sandwich plate have a thermostat in it? I had to look pretty hard for one but I found it for 50 shipped
 

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Thanks man. Nope, no thermostat. It's just one I had laying around. I'll have to find one later for an oil cooler setup. Where did you find yours at?
 

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biiig turbo, if i were doing this, mine would be sized a bit smaller, then again i would be more than happy with 400 wheel. also, if you could give some more information about using the 7mgte electronics i would greatly appreciate it. im looking for how to modify things to work, and im wondering how it will run with them.
 

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the turbo isn't that big. should work out pretty good.

turbo lag is overrated. power is only a downshift away.

keep us posted.
 

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i wasnt talking about lag, i was talking about size, and the amount of power he can get out of it. IIRC people were getting over 400WHP with a t61, i cant wait to see what he is going to pull out of a t70.
 

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biiig turbo, if i were doing this, mine would be sized a bit smaller, then again i would be more than happy with 400 wheel. also, if you could give some more information about using the 7mgte electronics i would greatly appreciate it. im looking for how to modify things to work, and im wondering how it will run with them.
400WHP will be so easy.. you should have no problem. Info on the 7MGTE electronics... hmm.

you need to do some grinding and cutting on the CPS, first of all.. to make it fit. This way you can use the stock ignitor, and coil pack. Coil packs will need a custom mount.
Switch over temp sensors from the 7M (ECU and gauge)
Switch over 7M Oil PSI sensor
Switch over 7M knock sensors
Switch over 7M injectors (can run stock 440's without piggyback)
Use stock O2 sensor, or wire in 2JZ O2 sensor. Either will work (with appropriate clip)
Use TPS plug from 2JZ wiring harness
ISC is the same
Use alternator clip from 2JZ wiring harness
Use 7M AFM, or Lex AFM w/ 550's. (if you want to keep it simple.. should suite your goal easily)

Legnthen/shorten harness where appropriate.

I'd suggest tapping the fuel rail with an M12*1.25 tap to utilize the stock FPR to keep fuel pressure the same. I'm using my aeromotive kit from my 7M.

I'm probably forgetting a few little things.. This is just off the top of my head.
 

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i thought the 2j boys were running the 440s with the lex, because their stock injectors are 330s and they have the same AFM as the 7mgte?

either way, thanks for the info. im waiting to find out how it runs with the 7m electronics. this would be a nice setup to show up at the philly meet and the NE2k7 meet with. it would be my favorite combo, the MKIV motor with the MKIII body, mmmm sexy!
 

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foreverpsycotic said:
i thought the 2j boys were running the 440s with the lex, because their stock injectors are 330s and they have the same AFM as the 7mgte?

either way, thanks for the info. im waiting to find out how it runs with the 7m electronics. this would be a nice setup to show up at the philly meet and the NE2k7 meet with. it would be my favorite combo, the MKIV motor with the MKIII body, mmmm sexy!
Yes.. but remember... they're on the stock 2JZGE ECU which is tuned for the 330's! We're talking about using the 7MGTE ECU which is tuned for 440's! The ECU doesn't know what engine it's running ;)
 

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ahhhhh, good call right there, i had a blonde moment. wow, so in theory i can pretty much go and get a 2j out of the junkyard with the accessorys and drop it in, without getting any electronics. any clue if the 2jzge bolts up to the stock rad for the 7m? then it would pretty much be plug and play, or closer to it.
 

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it will plug into the 7M radiator.. but you'll have to hack up the stock hoses.. you may be able to get away with using the 2JZGE's hoses.. I havn't test fitted those yet, but not a big deal. you can pick up some spare hoses from the junk yard to hack up.
 

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OH.. and I'm not sure how you'd mate the 2JZ to your W58, I dont know the differences between the MKIV W58 and the MKIII's.

you'll also need BIC motormounts if you're pre-89
 

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lol, ive got the r154 in my NA, the w58 doesnt have a removable bellhousing, so the bellhousing castings are completely different. more likely than not ide need a 1j bellhousing, because ide have to change so much on the mkIV w58 for it to work in a a70