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After watching the election, and listening to the speaches on both sides, I think that the USA as we know it will be gone in 10 years or less.

Is it the open borders that will destroy us? No, but it's not helping.

Is it our polarization between the ULEE's and conservatives that will tear us apart? No, but it will enable our enemies to work and plan while we are blinding each other.

I think that inside of 10 years, the radical islamics will have squads of trained homicide bombers armed with small, person portable nukes. (These already exist, but I think North Korea, Iran and others want to build more, or buy ones they can get ahold of if possible.)

Russia may slip back into communist rule. Western Europe is sliding that way now, and they are finding out they can't control the Islamic terrorists they have living among them with any sort of effectiveness.

I belive we will leave Iraq to fight their own battles, and the Kurds, Shites and Sunni's will divide what's left of Iraq. The Kurds will continue to worry the Turks, the Shites will join up with Iran, and the Saudi's will come to the aid of what is left of Saddam's Baath party. (Sunni's.)

This in turn will allow Iran to further attack Israel, and our government will either not be able to, or not be willing to help out. It will get very ugly in the land of milk and honey for sure. (I do not see Israel going silently into that goodnight.. and we know they have nukes, and will use them when it get's that ugly for sure.)

Inside 10 years, there will be a large Islamic government, much like the Taliban, but better organized, and better equipped both with money and the machinery of war. (Iran is the spearhead, and Iran's leader see's himself as this leader of the Islamic world.) The next Ottoman Empire, or Persian Empire if you will. Think we have nothing to fear here in the USA? Keep dreaming.

China has 250,000,000 more men than it does women. This is a HUGE problem. Families and the responbility, love and commitment of a family keeps people honest and hard working, and looking towards the future, planning for it and saving etc.

When your single, can't have kids, can't have a family because there is none to be found, I belive the restraint and commitment to society falls apart quickly, and you will see China struggle to control this population of single men. (Just think, a entire population nearly the size of the USA with NO WOMEN.... just waiting for road rage... or a good bar fight... ) What will China do with all of them? I don't know, but If they decide to make an army out of them, look out world.

I belive the PC ideals and tactics of the left will continue to be taught to our children here in the USA, effectively making millions of us unable to think for ourselves, and do the right thing when confronted with danger. (For example, when the 911 attacks were done, the PC world asked "What did we do to make them so mad at us, and how can we change to make them not hate us?") Hello? WTF are you thinking?

Envrionmentalism will continue to be pushed on our kids too, and we will suffer under the cost of "living green" so a few ULEE's will feel better about the world, and we can be part of the Kyoto accord. (What a relief, I was really worried about all that C02... let's see, the 3% of change in the world, to what amounts to an increase of less than 1% of the total gas, and we will ignore that nature adds the other 97% of the 1% of the total gas.. Oh, and water vapor, well you don't count, because your natural... (And we will ignore that h20 vapor is like 100 times more potent as a "greenhouse gas" than C02, and in quantities that actually make a difference... blah blah,, take the electric car to work, if you can get the batteries to hold a charge that long, they are like my laptop... it would run for 4 hours when I first got it, and now I'm lucky to get 20 min of use before the power is gone... oh the irony since we all know EV's will save the day.

Yes, I give us 10 years. Or less depending on how effective the Dem's are with their new found power.

The only thing I can hope for, and it's a morbid hope to be sure, is that the radical islamic's will do something stupid like use a backpack nuke on NewYork, and suddenly the whole issue of PC, and who's Dem, or Rep will be out the window. The USA will call up the draft, build up the army we need, and then go kick some ass around the world again like WWII.

Take off the gloves America. Get your heads out of your ass, and wake up. Your enemies are laughing, and you can't hear it because your iPods are turned up too loud.'
 

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i say less... honestly... this shit scares me... i just can't get over that feeling of "when the hell is the shit gonna hit the fan, and how badly will i be affected?"

i severely wish i could just up and move to canada, into the wilderness, build my own cabin, and live in peace
 

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I agree with EVERYTHING you are concerned about but the timeframe. Superpowers aren't built overnight, and they aren't destroyed overnight, either. I think our parents may have been the generation that lucked out timewise, but I don't think America will fall within a generation, either.

I think it will be a continuing but slow errosion of what made America what it is by the reject God/left/socialist/PC/environmentalist/accept ALL morality as valid/tax, tax, tax/spend, spend, spend cancer that spreads daily. It's impossible to say whether we will ultimately be invaded, whether one day civil war hits, or the world simply ends, but rest assured the US is not eternal.

I suspect that we will see a continued errosion of core American values through our lifetime, but that our children, grandchildren or later generations will see worse.
 

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*haha u so sutpdi ! america gust be better now. i noes histore, so i write.












*I thought I would beat cryoslash at his own game.
 

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Mental note: Buy more guns.... oh yeah, best start stocking up on Ammo too.
I've been hoping the the shit hits the fan and wakes america up. I think the
US is a sleeping giant, but Isreal is the pissed off midget with the napolean
complex. When the shit hits the fan, not if, I think Isreal will fuck somebody
up. I'm not afraid. bring it.
 

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Or we can realize that the odds of winning a war on an enemy’s home turf is damn near impossible if its inhabitants are at all opposed to our being there… We can realize that our military is fairly ineffective when popular support is not behind it. We can realize that by embracing alternative energy, we might not need to be so heavily involved in maintaining our “interests” in the middle east (which in turn might not make so many enemies in the first place).

We can then bring our attention back to home and look at solving problems we’ve been neglecting (like our government’s out of control spending, our trade deficit, our declining productivity, what we’re going to do when all of the baby boomers retire and start drawing social security, etc).


I realize pulling out and admitting defeat my be a blow to our ego, but we’ve been dealt a losing hand. We can cut our losses and toss ‘em in, or we can lose our heads and push…
 

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easy solution, neurtron bomb the world, killing all, leaving all of the infa- structure, WORLD PROBLEMS SOLVED!!!!!!!!
 

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They are soon to be back in power.:3d_frown:

You know what annoys me besides the left, is those in the middle with short term memory.
 

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I wonder what the Hebrew decendents on the board think every time they pull the voting lever for these anti-semetic clowns...
 

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Nick - dont want to thread jack or anything, but i did want to say something (and say it in polite manner, unlike some people *coughcryoslashcough* ;) )

I'm of jewish descent, but i dont seek revenge for whats being done to try and quell the violence. War isnt always the best answer for stuff, and if someone wants to try and negotiate for peace with words rather than a gun, i'm all for it. The israeli government has been despicable in some of its actions in recent years, and while i deplore hezbollah, hamas and the other islamic jihadis that carry out suicide bombings and the like, but in no way can i put my hand on my heart and say that everything the israeli government did was justified or even morally acceptable.

Yes, i know, the UK started all of this off way back when, and that makes it even more embarrassing for me - being british also (in case no one noticed).

I guess at heart, i'm an idealist - i'd like to believe in a future where people can just get along, and not be segregated through religion, physical borders and culture.

It's not likely to ever happen in my lifetime though, i'm not stupid.

TYVM - I'll keep off the grass :)
 
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oh yes...thats it... because i'm afraid of a terrorist blowing up a building it will happen...

that's like one of those motivational speakers telling you to visilualize your goals in order to achieve them.


on a side note...

Outofstep and Cryo...Its obvious to everyone that you two aren't the best of friends...but lets try to keep the jabs to a minimum ok? I'll ask nicely this time..but next time I won't ask at all...you're both contributing members that can have valid input whether its agreeable to all or not..i'd like to keep both of you in OT, help me do that.
 

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oh yes...thats it... because i'm afraid of a terrorist blowing up a building it will happen...

that's like one of those motivational speakers telling you to visilualize your goals in order to achieve them.

on a side note...

Outofstep and Cryo...Its obvious to everyone that you two aren't the best of friends...but lets try to keep the jabs to a minimum ok? I'll ask nicely this time..but next time I won't ask at all...you're both contributing members that can have valid input whether its agreeable to all or not..i'd like to keep both of you in OT, help me do that.
alright, ill edit my post then... I don't believe it's the same thing w/ your comparison with the motivational speaker and what i said... Reason being is that the theory of terrorism is for people to actually be afraid whereas the motivational speaker can only try to make people listen to them regardless of the outcome.
 

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I guess at heart, i'm an idealist - i'd like to believe in a future where people can just get along, and not be segregated through religion, physical borders and culture.
So you want a world wide government, One religion, and everybody to forsake their heritage and diversity to become worker drones for your One Nation Earth?
Luckily for you, the islamic jihadis feel the same way as you do! They want the whole world united under sharia law, Islam as the only religion, and a world government called a caliphate.

I agree with the assessment that things will get bad in the near future so we need to be prepared for anything. America has been eroded since the Great Society and the New Deal era and now nobody even knows what America is supposed to be like. Fewer people even care as long as they get their welfare check or pork barrel project. The only way America can survive is to turn back to its Christian roots and re-take the moral highground. If not, there may be voting from the rooftops.
 

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alright, ill edit my post then... I don't believe it's the same thing w/ your comparison with the motivational speaker and what i said... Reason being is that the theory of terrorism is for people to actually be afraid whereas the motivational speaker can only try to make people listen to them regardless of the outcome.

No...for terrorism to be EFFECTIVE, the population that is being targeted must be afraid. But a terrorist act can and does happen no matter what. You think they're like "man, they don't seem to be afraid of us....eh, let's not blow ourselves up today."?

No...not so much.

And what do you think they're doing with these terrorist acts? Trying to "make people listen to them regardless of the outcome." If they're dead, do you think the outcome really matters to them?

Again, no... not so much.
 

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alright, ill edit my post then... I don't believe it's the same thing w/ your comparison with the motivational speaker and what i said... Reason being is that the theory of terrorism is for people to actually be afraid whereas the motivational speaker can only try to make people listen to them regardless of the outcome.
Come on man, you know damn well that if those terror attacks were carried out here in Ontario, you wouldn't be talking that way.
I swear, why does it take so much for some people to wake up and see what's happening?
 

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Come on man, you know damn well that if those terror attacks were carried out here in Ontario, you wouldn't be talking that way.
I swear, why does it take so much for some people to wake up and see what's happening?
i was in new jersey right across from manhattan when it happened. I was as close there then i could ever be. Don't believe me? Ask my brother Sebcola, he was there with me. We left back to canada the day after.
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The only way America can survive is to turn back to its Christian roots and re-take the moral highground.
Wouldn't you want to go back to even before the USA existed? I mean to when the natives actually had moral beliefs until the europeans came into their territory, stole their land, and forced christianity upon them? Christianity is nothing but shoved down peoples throats. Honestly have you ever questioned your religious beliefs in search of finding what is true? There is no certainty in christianity, or any religion for that matter so i do not believe it would help any of the american's to go to their apparent roots.
 

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^^ lol I was about to say that, yea the left side is REAL bad aren't they
thats why we still haven't caught Bin Laden, and Iraq wasn't for oil.
same reason Rumsfeild just resigned.
NEXT...

BTW it doesn't matter how many men you have, it only takes a few nukes to wipe us all off the planet.

Population control is what I call it.

Im moving to Australia anyways.
 

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Not surprising seeing this from Adjuster.
I'm sure everything has been perfect while the gop was in control.
Oh wait... that's right.
It wasn't.
 

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Wouldn't you want to go back to even before the USA existed? I mean to when the natives actually had moral beliefs until the europeans came into their territory, stole their land, and forced christianity upon them?
Before America was the USA the natives lived as hunter/gatherers and killed neighboring tribes to gain land and goods. They were constantly at WAR with each other. Average lifespan was 32 years old.Child mortality was above 50%. I would not want to live in that world. If I had to hunt for my food, grow a big garden to feed my family, build my own house and ride a horse wherever I needed to, I could. In fact, I do all of that now except the horse part. I own a farm with crops and horses and my family would survive. Could you do it? Would your family survive? If I had to kill a raiding party from the next farm I would. Would you? Could you? Is this really your idea of utopia? Would you want to live in that world? My Libertarian views would be right at home in that world and I could be happy there but it will not happen so why bring it up?
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Christianity is nothing but shoved down peoples throats.
I don't know what kind of Christians you have dealt with but my bible says to live life as a tribute to Jesus, so that everyone knows I am a follower by my words and deeds. I have never found any Christian who has forced religion on anyone else. It is against our prinicipals to do so. Sure, if someone sees that I am a good person and asks me why, i'll gladly spread the word. If someone thanks me or compliments me, I reply "give the glory to God" It is his will I do, not my own.
CryoSlash said:
Honestly have you ever questioned your religious beliefs in search of finding what is true?
Honestly I have studied all the major religions for the last 24 years in search of truth. I have read the Bible, Qur'an, and the teachings of Gautama Buddha. Surprisingly there are many common beliefs among them. Even your precious natives believed in gods similar to the greek gods and religion was central to their lives. Those who want to eliminate God do so because they believe there is no truth. I have seen the power of prayer countless times and that is the truth.
CryoSlash said:
There is no certainty in christianity, or any religion for that matter so i do not believe it would help any of the american's to go to their apparent roots.
There is no certainty only because you have not found it or refuse to accept it.America is in decline to decadence because there is no MORAL compass to guide it. God is being banished from my country and the depravity abounds because of it. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to disagree with it. If you were hungry or thirsty I would feed you and give you drink. Would you do the same for an Evangelical Christian?
JustAnotherVictim said:
Not surprising seeing this from Adjuster.
I'm sure everything has been perfect while the gop was in control.
Oh wait... that's right.
It wasn't.
It wasn't perfect because the Republicans fell into the power trap. They became Democrat-lite to please the media and the liberals. They have been spanked and now the libs will advance their agenda. Look forward to me calling them on the carpet every time they advance liberalism.
 

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Forgetting something?


Nope. And they are not analagous. Diplomacy isn't bad, giving away nuclear technology, something that was not being done in the photo with Hussein.



See, my picture was not a cheap shot photo-op. Are these guys good budies too? Of course not. Hussein tried to bring down Ayatollah Khomeini. That was a good plan then. Hussein later went against our allies and us. Times change. We were enemies with Great Britain too. North Korea is different. Same madman, same time. Nor did we ever arm Hussein. Although we have armed both sides in hopes they destroy each other.

And Adjuster is wrong on this one. American will be rolling along nicely in 10 years.
 

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The only move they have left is to go "ultra religious" over the next two years and try to win back the religious zealots they lost. This won't work, it can't work, but in desperation they will try it. And they are doomed.
I'm curious, would you consider our founding fathers ultra religious zealots? Faith guided them far more than anyone alive today.
 
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I would like to see proof of your statement Aaron, I don't think you can find any...the founding fathers were religious..and defended religion and a government based on the ideals of christianity...but there were not religious fanatics at all.

Benjamin Franklin said:
[T]hink how great a portion of mankind consists of weak and ignorant men and women and of inexperienced, inconsiderate youth of both sexes who have need of the motives of religion to restrain them from vice, to support their virtue
This was in response to Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason a book that was decidedly anti-religious, my point being..the founding fathers new that the religious values were valuable to the government, the people and to individuals. If they were the ultra religious that you claim...there would be alot more religion mentioned in the Constitution etc...
 

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I would like to see proof of your statement Aaron, I don't think you can find any...the founding fathers were religious..and defended religion and a government based on the ideals of christianity...but there were not religious fanatics at all.


This was in response to Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason a book that was decidedly anti-religious, my point being..the founding fathers new that the religious values were valuable to the government, the people and to individuals. If they were the ultra religious that you claim...there would be alot more religion mentioned in the Constitution etc...
One could logically draw conclusions from the very start, the Mayflower Compact.
A bunch of old Pilgrams said:
"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."
 

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Aaron J Williams said:
I'm curious, would you consider our founding fathers ultra religious zealots? Faith guided them far more than anyone alive today.
I find them to be a product of their time. Taken within the context of the world they lived in, I think I understand where they were coming from.

Think about Thomas Jefferson, the man was, for all intents and purposes, the architect of everything in US law that reflects upon liberty. Yet the man owned slaves. Do I think Jefferson would support slavery today? No, I think he'd be a viscious opponent to it.

And it's all non-sequiter when it comes to discussing the modern Republican party. These people aren't driven by faith, and you damned well know it.

rakkasan said:
One could logically draw conclusions from the very start, the Mayflower Compact.
The Mayflower compact was written 150 years before the founding of the United States. You can't use the zealotry of the 1620's to define the thoughts of the 1770's....
 

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The Mayflower compact was written 150 years before the founding of the United States. You can't use the zealotry of the 1620's to define the thoughts of the 1770's....
Sure you can, the pilgrams enacted the first constitution in America, so you can't simply discount the fact that it had bearing on our current constitution. While there is no written link between the two, there also isn't anything written that says that one had no bearing on the other. But, one can speculate that the founding fathers opinions & values were swayed by the Mayflower Compact by virtue of the way they & their ancestors lived between 1620 & 1770, no?

In simple terms, no one can say what the founding fathers were thinking when drafting the constitution, it's all hearsay & conjecture...
 

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i severely wish i could just up and move to canada, into the wilderness, build my own cabin, and live in peace

HAHA....Canada is not all wilderness, handbuilt cabins, and igloo's. Were just luckey cause we dont have a moron like Busch running our country. But hey go ahead and think what you want. Some Americans are sooo fuckin dumb when it comes knowledge of Canada. (Im not directing it to you).
 

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I know where your coming from supracentral, but I have a reason to believe John McCain will be our next president. I lean to the left, but I'd still vote for this guy. Any opinions on him?

And I think we'll be alright in the next 10 years.
 

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My point is this.

The United States as a country has lost sight of what is important.

Security.

Fiscal security. We give it away with our trade deficits, loans we write off and public policy that gives a free lunch to those that do not work for it.

Physical secruity. The reduction in the size of the military limits our security from threats abroad. Laws and gun control in many states have made it a crime to defend your loved ones, or even your self. The idea that the police will protect me leaves much to be desired. (Try calling 911, ask for help on most days... you get put on hold, you get put into a list of reponses, and your lucky if you see an officer inside of a half hour at best. Your crisis will be over in 30 seconds when the only ones with guns are the criminals.)

Emotional security. The PC creedo, and idea that environmentalism trumps God is here now. The ULEE's and SP's say worship this fish, or this tree, or even worship some mugslug, but don't you dare worship God.... How can we expect our family based culture to last through this constant assault on the Family as the basis for American culture?

Environmental security. (Don't laugh...:) ) Seriously we are screwed up on this in a huge way. We still teach our young kids that the fuel you burn in your cars is from fossil debris, we tell them solar power is the way to go, we say wind power will save us, and that green is good, and your parents in their SUV's are neaderthals who are distroying the earth. Teachers tell them that nuclear power is evil, and they have built up this state of fear about "global warming" to the point where it's at a frenzy in the media. (Anyone watch some of these shows on Discovery and other places about global warming? They are seriously biased, and full of lies, but they are presenting it all as truth, like they know for sure exactly what's going on, when the real people in the thick of it admit they don't know what's going on, and you only have to look as far as your local weather forcast to see that. Try getting an accurate weather forcast past 3 days. Even the 10 day forcast is flawed, and has to be upgraded constantly, and even then, it's WRONG most of the time. Who can say "I can predict the weather on this planet in 120 years.... " BULLSHIT! (Just to quote Penn & Teller.)

The final one is governmental security. A government is only as secure as the state of those in that government have confidence in the rule of law. As we watch more government officials break the law, and get away with it, over and over and over again, and we watch the laws turn from ones that protect our rights, to ones that restrict our rights, we will see, and are already seeing the confidence in this government fade.

Last let me make it perfectly clear that I believe if we don't get this right in Iraq, we will end up with Iran in control of the Southern 1/2 of that region of the world. It will result in a bitter war between the Kurds, Saudi's(Sunni's) and Iran. (Shites.) Don't forget there are Christians in the mix too. Armenians have a large Christian sect, and they will be fighting all the others most likely.

I belive it might be possible anyway to end up with backpack, or small portable nukes to be used in the USA by Islamic Terrorists, but I know it's going to happen for sure if Iran becomes an even larger power in the Middle East than they are now.

You guys calling me crazy, look back at the world between WWI and WWII. What was Hitler doing? What was the world media, and indeed the USA media and government saying? We sat by and watched the Axis powers roll over Poland, and other countries, and Japan invade China and we did nothing, saying it was not our war, or our conflict. Pearl Harbor brought us into the war kicking and screaming, but 911 did not on this one because the whole idea of fighting a war against Islam is so anti PC, nobody wanted, or pretty much wants to address it.

I'm not afraid to do that. We are at war with Islam. (All of Islam, even the ones who are not fighting the war, but sit silently by and watch it happen are just as much our enemy as the one's strapping on the bombs, placing the IED's and flying passenger jets into our buildings.)

We are showing we can't effectively fight them in this current political climate. We are about to cut and run from Iraq, and we will pull back, say "It's now out of our hands" and watch them implode into full civil war with Iran coming out on top with one more caliphate as a result.

This election dashed my hopes that we would be ultimately sucessful in Iraq. What sucks is that we will discrace the deaths of our warriors by leaving the fight before the job is truely done.

Think if we had given up when so many died on D-Day. Or in the South Pacific? The USA as a country has lost the will to fight a war and defend our freedom. We are poisioned from within, and we will likely not recover as a nation from this internal poison.

Hate to say it, but it's the truth.
 

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im 14 im muslim and got a 1jz supra:biglaugh: no flames no arguments but in my opinion when bush goes out hes gonna cause sum major problem and i think theres gonna be problems if the new pres will be republican. but also the only reason i belive iran is gonna be a major problem is because the iran president is radical,retarded, and crazy. he is causing many iranians to think all non muslim countries hate them to provoke them for war. and as for n.korea, bush should stop threatning if bush threats them with missiles etc. they will let themselves die but make everyone else die with them.:3d_frown: but it is all an opinion!

and just to clear things up in the quran it does not say to blow urself up in a public place or even shoot anyone or act violent towrds anyone. all it says is sum stories and how to be a good muslim etc. so all that stuff saying bad stuff about the quran is wrong. AS AN EXAMPLE: u wouldnt like if i said bad stuff about the bible or jesus or kabalah etc. that is why stupid muslims like people in aghanistan get hype, and in the quran it does not say to retaliate it says people who act bad twords allah will get thier own punishment not getting shot etc. just to clear things up:biglaugh:


NO FLAMES NO ARGUMENTS!!! just opinion also opinionize my essay let me know what u feel:bigthumb:
 
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My point is this.

The United States as a country has lost sight of what is important.

Security.

Fiscal security. We give it away with our trade deficits, loans we write off and public policy that gives a free lunch to those that do not work for it.

Physical secruity. The reduction in the size of the military limits our security from threats abroad. Laws and gun control in many states have made it a crime to defend your loved ones, or even your self. The idea that the police will protect me leaves much to be desired. (Try calling 911, ask for help on most days... you get put on hold, you get put into a list of reponses, and your lucky if you see an officer inside of a half hour at best. Your crisis will be over in 30 seconds when the only ones with guns are the criminals.)

Emotional security. The PC creedo, and idea that environmentalism trumps God is here now. The ULEE's and SP's say worship this fish, or this tree, or even worship some mugslug, but don't you dare worship God.... How can we expect our family based culture to last through this constant assault on the Family as the basis for American culture?

Environmental security. (Don't laugh...:) ) Seriously we are screwed up on this in a huge way. We still teach our young kids that the fuel you burn in your cars is from fossil debris, we tell them solar power is the way to go, we say wind power will save us, and that green is good, and your parents in their SUV's are neaderthals who are distroying the earth. Teachers tell them that nuclear power is evil, and they have built up this state of fear about "global warming" to the point where it's at a frenzy in the media. (Anyone watch some of these shows on Discovery and other places about global warming? They are seriously biased, and full of lies, but they are presenting it all as truth, like they know for sure exactly what's going on, when the real people in the thick of it admit they don't know what's going on, and you only have to look as far as your local weather forcast to see that. Try getting an accurate weather forcast past 3 days. Even the 10 day forcast is flawed, and has to be upgraded constantly, and even then, it's WRONG most of the time. Who can say "I can predict the weather on this planet in 120 years.... " BULLSHIT! (Just to quote Penn & Teller.)

The final one is governmental security. A government is only as secure as the state of those in that government have confidence in the rule of law. As we watch more government officials break the law, and get away with it, over and over and over again, and we watch the laws turn from ones that protect our rights, to ones that restrict our rights, we will see, and are already seeing the confidence in this government fade.

Last let me make it perfectly clear that I believe if we don't get this right in Iraq, we will end up with Iran in control of the Southern 1/2 of that region of the world. It will result in a bitter war between the Kurds, Saudi's(Sunni's) and Iran. (Shites.) Don't forget there are Christians in the mix too. Armenians have a large Christian sect, and they will be fighting all the others most likely.

I belive it might be possible anyway to end up with backpack, or small portable nukes to be used in the USA by Islamic Terrorists, but I know it's going to happen for sure if Iran becomes an even larger power in the Middle East than they are now.

You guys calling me crazy, look back at the world between WWI and WWII. What was Hitler doing? What was the world media, and indeed the USA media and government saying? We sat by and watched the Axis powers roll over Poland, and other countries, and Japan invade China and we did nothing, saying it was not our war, or our conflict. Pearl Harbor brought us into the war kicking and screaming, but 911 did not on this one because the whole idea of fighting a war against Islam is so anti PC, nobody wanted, or pretty much wants to address it.

I'm not afraid to do that. We are at war with Islam. (All of Islam, even the ones who are not fighting the war, but sit silently by and watch it happen are just as much our enemy as the one's strapping on the bombs, placing the IED's and flying passenger jets into our buildings.)

We are showing we can't effectively fight them in this current political climate. We are about to cut and run from Iraq, and we will pull back, say "It's now out of our hands" and watch them implode into full civil war with Iran coming out on top with one more caliphate as a result.

This election dashed my hopes that we would be ultimately sucessful in Iraq. What sucks is that we will discrace the deaths of our warriors by leaving the fight before the job is truely done.

Think if we had given up when so many died on D-Day. Or in the South Pacific? The USA as a country has lost the will to fight a war and defend our freedom. We are poisioned from within, and we will likely not recover as a nation from this internal poison.

Hate to say it, but it's the truth.

in my opinion thats messed up islam is a religon like many other religons out there. since i am islamic that means im a terrorist? no it does not i was born in ny, and i never even thought of strapping myself up and blowing myself up its just stupid. i rather live. i went to high school in long island city, ny like 1 mile from manhattan. and basically saw 9/11. it was horrible to see i think it was completely wrong what osama and his accomplasis did. people like that are not in the right mind like that to kill innocent people like hitler and saddam etc. my uncle died in the 2nd tower and died when it collapsed he worked on the 72nd floor R.I.P. :cry: but its just not right to say all islamic people are bad.:3d_frown:

but beside that anyone need 7mge parts parting out motor :naughty:
 

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After watching the election, and listening to the speaches on both sides, I think that the USA as we know it will be gone in 10 years or less.

Is it the open borders that will destroy us? No, but it's not helping.

Is it our polarization between the ULEE's and conservatives that will tear us apart? No, but it will enable our enemies to work and plan while we are blinding each other.

I think that inside of 10 years, the radical islamics will have squads of trained homicide bombers armed with small, person portable nukes. (These already exist, but I think North Korea, Iran and others want to build more, or buy ones they can get ahold of if possible.)

Russia may slip back into communist rule. Western Europe is sliding that way now, and they are finding out they can't control the Islamic terrorists they have living among them with any sort of effectiveness.

I belive we will leave Iraq to fight their own battles, and the Kurds, Shites and Sunni's will divide what's left of Iraq. The Kurds will continue to worry the Turks, the Shites will join up with Iran, and the Saudi's will come to the aid of what is left of Saddam's Baath party. (Sunni's.)

This in turn will allow Iran to further attack Israel, and our government will either not be able to, or not be willing to help out. It will get very ugly in the land of milk and honey for sure. (I do not see Israel going silently into that goodnight.. and we know they have nukes, and will use them when it get's that ugly for sure.)

Inside 10 years, there will be a large Islamic government, much like the Taliban, but better organized, and better equipped both with money and the machinery of war. (Iran is the spearhead, and Iran's leader see's himself as this leader of the Islamic world.) The next Ottoman Empire, or Persian Empire if you will. Think we have nothing to fear here in the USA? Keep dreaming.

China has 250,000,000 more men than it does women. This is a HUGE problem. Families and the responbility, love and commitment of a family keeps people honest and hard working, and looking towards the future, planning for it and saving etc.

When your single, can't have kids, can't have a family because there is none to be found, I belive the restraint and commitment to society falls apart quickly, and you will see China struggle to control this population of single men. (Just think, a entire population nearly the size of the USA with NO WOMEN.... just waiting for road rage... or a good bar fight... ) What will China do with all of them? I don't know, but If they decide to make an army out of them, look out world.

I belive the PC ideals and tactics of the left will continue to be taught to our children here in the USA, effectively making millions of us unable to think for ourselves, and do the right thing when confronted with danger. (For example, when the 911 attacks were done, the PC world asked "What did we do to make them so mad at us, and how can we change to make them not hate us?") Hello? WTF are you thinking?

Envrionmentalism will continue to be pushed on our kids too, and we will suffer under the cost of "living green" so a few ULEE's will feel better about the world, and we can be part of the Kyoto accord. (What a relief, I was really worried about all that C02... let's see, the 3% of change in the world, to what amounts to an increase of less than 1% of the total gas, and we will ignore that nature adds the other 97% of the 1% of the total gas.. Oh, and water vapor, well you don't count, because your natural... (And we will ignore that h20 vapor is like 100 times more potent as a "greenhouse gas" than C02, and in quantities that actually make a difference... blah blah,, take the electric car to work, if you can get the batteries to hold a charge that long, they are like my laptop... it would run for 4 hours when I first got it, and now I'm lucky to get 20 min of use before the power is gone... oh the irony since we all know EV's will save the day.

Yes, I give us 10 years. Or less depending on how effective the Dem's are with their new found power.

The only thing I can hope for, and it's a morbid hope to be sure, is that the radical islamic's will do something stupid like use a backpack nuke on NewYork, and suddenly the whole issue of PC, and who's Dem, or Rep will be out the window. The USA will call up the draft, build up the army we need, and then go kick some ass around the world again like WWII.

Take off the gloves America. Get your heads out of your ass, and wake up. Your enemies are laughing, and you can't hear it because your iPods are turned up too loud.'
I am gonna go buy a gun......seriously. Because I beleive that alot of this is true. Maybe not in 10 years but if the lefties and the PC crowd don't shape, we will be the "PUSAY" and we will get hammered.
 

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Drift king, thanks for speaking up!
Your one of few Muslems world wide that has come out against Osama, and the kind of thinking that has the majority of Islam in trouble.

If "Christians" were out strapping on bombs, setting up ied's and doing them in the name of Jesus, I'd be appalled, and speak out, and turn them in to authorities, or that is not possible, shoot the bastards myself. (How long would the insurgents in Iraq last without the support of Islam, and the tacit support of the people in Iraq? About 20 seconds.)

When the insurgents are destroyed, and Islam has spoken out against terrorism of all kinds using Islam as the "base" then I'll think of Islam as a peaceful religion. Look at what the Pope did. He has asked for discussion, and peace, and to stop the violence. Christians want this. There is no more crusade. I think the people of Islam belive the crusades never ended sometimes.

What I'd like to see more of is what you just did. SPEAK OUT, and speak out in your Mosques when they start talking about supporting Islamic people who do strap on the bombs, and think this is some kind of Jihad.

You don't need organized religion to be a good person, but you need organized religion to organize hate in many cases throughout history.

I'm sure God/Allah is not happy with any of his children who use his name to create death and distruction.

When the Imam's start calling from the Mosques to stop the killing, then Islam will no longer be the enemy.

That's the truth man. Anyone who think's otherwise is just wearing PC blinders, and those will be blown off when some Islamic Terrorist uses a nuke on the USA.